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Excellent topic and thread! I have pretty much felt this has all been true for a long time but have never seen or heard it stated more clearly or eloquently! Thank you for that! It is so obvious when you state it that way and has only become more obvious since Trump pathologically inflicted himself...

So a proven con-man and deceiver who scammed people out of their money by looking at a rock in a hat claiming he could see buried treasure in the bowels of the earth then uses the same process to dictate a 500 page novel with no gold plates used, yet, it's 'divine'??? If that is what it all is to y...

I think there is a meaning of the word fraud that can be fairly applied to the COJCOLDS: "one that is not what it seems or is represented to be." https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fraud Used that way, I don't think it requires that anyone have an intent to deceive. The thread title could b...

Physics Guy wrote: ↑

Thu May 09, 2024 9:15 am

It's episodic—a collection of short stories rather than a continuous epic.

The three great epics of Classical antiquity are all very episodic. So are the Gospels and Acts.

You are correct, as far as I know, unless you count peer-pressure, or rather authority-pressure. I personally heard it deployed in a priesthood meeting when someone resisted a service project that the Elder's Quorum president wanted everyone in the meeting to be involved with. One brother barked th...

Your view is it’s not a fraud because it’s a religion? Even if Joseph started it fraudulently, the leaders today believe and that’s sufficient? Not exactly. I don’t see a voluntary association centering on faith as a fraud. Furthermore, I am not in the business of reading Joseph Smith’s mind. Did S...

It's difficult to say cause circumstances would be so wildly different, but I often think that if I lived in Utah still that I very well could have ended up as a country club Mormon. I like to think I would have stopped attending completely, but I could also see doing enough to also have a temple r...

[quote=Gadianton post_id=2860886 time=1715214595 user_id=48] That's a serious conundrum, and it's certainly relevant. Every now and again some hair-brain tax legislature will get proposed by dems, and I'll have a moment where I think, "don't make not care if Trump wins" and I'm not wealthy.[/quote] ...

Moksha wrote: ↑

Thu May 09, 2024 8:18 am

Yeah, a fraud would be when they are trying to peddle something that is not true.

I know you are smart enough to understand why your statement is problematic.

Well, not quite. There's that whole "Law of Consecration" thing, "which means dedicating our time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed us to building up Jesus Christ’s Church on the earth." (Taken right from the church's website, so I assume this is not against the board rules t...