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by _Drifting
Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:56 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: The Isaiah Problem
Replies: 58
Views: 4792

Re: The Isaiah Problem

As far as we understand the plates weren't used in the translation. I suppose they could have in some way, but there is no witness testimony that suggests as much as Joseph, of course, never says anything about it. In due course the plates were delivered to Joseph Smith, who translated them by the ...
by _Drifting
Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:47 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Most Frequent Book of Abraham Assertion
Replies: 52
Views: 4357

Re: Most Frequent Book of Abraham Assertion

The Book of Mormon was produced without the use of the gold plates. The Book of Moses was produced without the use of any ancient document. The JST revision of the Bible was competed without the use of any original documentation. Why would it be 'new news' that Joseph produced the Book of Abraham wi...
by _Drifting
Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:36 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Avraham Gileadi - The Forgotten September Sixer
Replies: 9
Views: 891

Re: Avraham Gileadi - The Forgotten September Sixer

Was the activity that got them disciplined significantly different to what we see now from Lds apologists, Lds journalists etc?
by _Drifting
Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:16 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Your LDS halloween costume
Replies: 27
Views: 3228

Re: Your LDS halloween costume

I'm going as Zelph, or maybe Shiz...
by _Drifting
Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:55 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Found the truth, what next?
Replies: 179
Views: 9600

Re: Found the truth, what next?

At the risk of starting a firestorm, I'm going to state my disagreement with Stem here. I favored Proposition 8, and I don't apologize for it. When LDS leaders in our ward said they were looking for people to help promote Proposition 8 I offered my services , though apparently they had the help the...
by _Drifting
Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:53 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Found the truth, what next?
Replies: 179
Views: 9600

Re: Found the truth, what next?

HEAVENLY FATHER: Remember those statement you made about black people and race mixing? Brigham: I sure do God... I was just teaching your flock your will. HEAVENLY FATHER: Umm... yeah... see that's the problem. What you said isn't actually true. That's not really how I feel about the matter. I'm ac...
by _Drifting
Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:37 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Why the Church backed Prop 8 and other anti-Gay ballots
Replies: 15
Views: 1032

Re: Why the Church backed Prop 8 and other anti-Gay ballots

Drifting, My information is factual, but it is not "verifiable". Some factual things are like that. I can tell a crowd of Evangelical Christians that "Christians" used to spit on me and threaten to kill me when I was a Mormon missionary. They laugh, call me a liar, or say "...
by _Drifting
Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:08 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: What does Brant mean when he says...
Replies: 13
Views: 740

What does Brant mean when he says...

One of the problems that any historian has in approaching the Book of Mormon is parallel to the Bible. It is a religious text and the religious beliefs about it at times transcend the production by human beings. Even when we know that humans were involved, the religious desire it make the text extr...
by _Drifting
Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:59 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Why the Church backed Prop 8 and other anti-Gay ballots
Replies: 15
Views: 1032

Re: Why the Church backed Prop 8 and other anti-Gay ballots

No, you misunderstand me. My apologies for not being clearer. I called for a cfr to aid the thread, not to hinder it. It is hard to believe and as such a lot of posters here will find it hard to take you seriously. Adding factual, verifiable information is important to prevent exactly the kind of re...
by _Drifting
Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:54 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Most Frequent Book of Abraham Assertion
Replies: 52
Views: 4357

Re: Most Frequent Book of Abraham Assertion

Hello Will,

Why don't you dive back in and let's have a discussion about the facts...

Also, really looking forward to reading your forthcoming publication.
(it is to be forthcoming this time isn't it?)