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by _Meadowchik
Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:28 am
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Hamer?????s hilarious assessment of FairMormon apologetics
Replies: 39
Views: 4324

Re: Hamer’s hilarious assessment of FairMormon apologetics

However, according to the LDS church, association to it can cover many faults when principles are lacking. This is a recipe for dysfunction. What? This provides no allowance for the foundation on which the gospel rests. Repentance. Repentance sits upon the foundation of a principle/morally based li...
by _Meadowchik
Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:10 am
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Hamer?????s hilarious assessment of FairMormon apologetics
Replies: 39
Views: 4324

Re: Hamer’s hilarious assessment of FairMormon apologetics

Look at our conversation here. I talk about righteous "valiant" people outside the church, and you point out that the truly valiant according to the LDS church can only be those in the LDS church. The problem is, essentially, assigning righteousness to association with the church more than associat...
by _Meadowchik
Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:06 am
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Hamer?????s hilarious assessment of FairMormon apologetics
Replies: 39
Views: 4324

Re: Hamer’s hilarious assessment of FairMormon apologetics

I think that every time the church insists it has special power and authority, it damages people and their relationships. I’m interested in why you think this. Regards, MG Look at our conversation here. I talk about righteous "valiant" people outside the church, and you point out that the truly val...
by _Meadowchik
Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:59 am
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Hamer?????s hilarious assessment of FairMormon apologetics
Replies: 39
Views: 4324

Re: Hamer’s hilarious assessment of FairMormon apologetics

Inasmuch as valiant only means having a testimony of the church. Yet there are billions and billions without it and many of them very good on every measurable level. The only thing making LDS possibly more valiant is its own special definition of valiant. In other words God would be doing just as g...
by _Meadowchik
Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:49 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Hamer?????s hilarious assessment of FairMormon apologetics
Replies: 39
Views: 4324

Re: Hamer’s hilarious assessment of FairMormon apologetics

MG, interesting that we don't need the LDS answers to these questions to be a valiant person. I agree. With the caveat that to be valiant within the LDS paradigm of belief you’d have to be a baptized/endowed and believing/practicing member of the church. Regards, MG Inasmuch as valiant only means h...
by _Meadowchik
Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:25 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Hamer?????s hilarious assessment of FairMormon apologetics
Replies: 39
Views: 4324

Re: Hamer’s hilarious assessment of FairMormon apologetics

To give my own answer, I think that a genuine big picture ought to be big and it ought to be a picture. By being big I mean that the same big picture should fit well as a context around a lot of different specific cases. There might be a few ugly or iffy trees in the forest, but there should be a l...
by _Meadowchik
Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:17 pm
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Hamer?????s hilarious assessment of FairMormon apologetics
Replies: 39
Views: 4324

Re: Hamer’s hilarious assessment of FairMormon apologetics

MG, interesting that we don't need the LDS answers to these questions to be a valiant person.
by _Meadowchik
Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:00 am
Forum: Terrestrial Forum
Topic: Reasons to believe in Book of Mormon historicity???
Replies: 21
Views: 1851

Re: Reasons to believe in Book of Mormon historicity???

I'm sure we've all experienced this to a degree in life. I know that I've been wrong about things that should have been obvious, and having it pointed out by someone who I generally would consider unqualified to criticize makes it that much harder to let go. I'd imagine that for folks with incredib...