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Couldn't one say that about any number of mutually exclusive ideologies, if they use similar arguments? So what does Dr Peterson win with multiple undisprovable universes? I think he gets to the need to prove the merits of the ideology. It can't be disproven? Okay. So is it good, necessary, worth it...

drumdude wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:29 pm

Res Ipsa wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 29, 2022 2:40 pm

So, if the human race itself figures out how to persist forever, does that make the human race God?

Is this some kind of deep Mormon doctrine I was unaware of?

Probably not because apparently it has to know it's doing it.

No pun intended.

Meadowchik, do you think the human race is going to last forever? If not, then there will be a last generation of that race. What is your conscientious obligation to that last generation of humans? No I don't think it will. As far as we know all known life in the universe will end at some point, Ho...

Using one’s common sense always helps. Too many people would rather lay the blame on someone else. If you're successfully indoctrinated from childhood into an ideology against a significant amount of common sense, what do you have as an adult? In such a case, you've been taught to not trust yoursel...

The analogy isn't quite the same. If we historically relied on the belief that pigs fly, then yes. But humans use the God belief whether God is real or not. The question of whether they need God is legitimate. The problem of how humans replace the God-functions is also legitimate. In fact, I don't ...

If atheists think things through, they will realize that in the absence of God they have an obligation to produce one. If they're conscientious then they will try. Maybe I'm wrong; maybe they will succeed; but I think it's more likely they'll give up on the whole endeavor and turn to pessimism. Wha...

Because you want to paint all atheists as non-conscientious. That's not what I said. If you can’t see the arrogance in that, and how it highlights your own insecurity then I can’t help you. Is it possible that I see no arrogance because there isn't any there? Humans need God. If you disagree then l...

Because you made an unnecessarily overarching and insupportable statement about the behavior of a large group of diverse people, on the basis of a single attribute they have in common, which is not necessarily related to the attribute you assumed for all. Marcus, how do you know it's insupportable?...

Dr Exiled wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:20 pm

Thanks. I had forgotten that you had explained your experience in depth before. No need to relive it on this thread.

Of course. My intent is to draw that distinction between emotional and intellectual reasoning. It is precisely why internet exposure still is not enough on its own.

Had you been considering the information for a while prior to having the "will" element? I think a lot of people weigh the group vs. out group decision for a time prior to making the leap, and when they do, it seems like it was all of a sudden. Was that your experience? Looking back, I can see a bu...