Oh what a tangled web we weave

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Ok. If you aren’t claiming that the meeting had anything to do with Burisma, I’ll take that as a concession that it isn’t evidence of any corruption by Joe Biden. Cool.

You said there was a meeting…and I responded that neither one of us know what happened in the meeting? Your only evidence is they did not talk about Burisma is the word of a crack head and a convicted felon that is in prison, and that both worked for a Russian back Oligrach…my evidence is the time line that was before and after the meeting.

That is why I want to move forward and share/discuss the evidence for my concerns. Did JB collude here…maybe he did and maybe he didn’t but there is certainly a lot of circumstantial evidence that he MIGHT have. in my opinion I think he and his family are dirty, but I am open to being wrong…maybe he was oblivious that his son and best friend were working for a Russian backed criminal, maybe in his quid quo pro he did not know the prosecutor wanted to go after but I find that equally hard to proceed, for me both are very hard to believe.
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canpakes wrote:
Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:35 pm
Markk wrote:
Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:06 pm
Do you believe Joe was the naïve one and did not know anything about what Hunter and Archer were up to?

You jumped the gun.

What were Hunter and Archer ‘up to’ with regard to Burisma? Be specific.

What impropriety has Archer been accused of with regard to Burisma? There doesn’t appear to be anything that you can point to for Hunter, so tell me what Archer supposedly did that was illegal or corrupt regarding Burisma.

Watching you go on and on about this without getting anywhere is like watching this video -

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0hyM-4iBn4w
They were working for a Russian backed Criminal deep into Ukrainian natural gas, who was using them for connections and Hunter’s last name according to the ex president of Poland, all when Joe was the VP and taking the lead in distribution of funds to the natural gas industry in the Ukraine.

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Markk wrote:
Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:44 pm
More later
Innuendo now, not supported by any facts later. Your MO’s getting pretty predictable. :roll:
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Markk wrote:
Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:44 pm
canpakes wrote:
Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:35 pm

What were Hunter and Archer ‘up to’ with regard to Burisma? Be specific.

What impropriety has Archer been accused of with regard to Burisma? There doesn’t appear to be anything that you can point to for Hunter, so tell me what Archer supposedly did that was illegal or corrupt regarding Burisma.
They were working for a Russian backed Criminal deep into Ukrainian natural gas, who was using them for connections and Hunter’s last name according to the ex president of Poland, all when Joe was the VP and taking the lead in distribution of funds to the natural gas industry in the Ukraine.

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I’m not asking who they worked for, and their employer’s misdeeds.

I’m asking you what Archer did wrong with regard to Burisma.

Or Hunter, or Joe. Or Res Ipsa.
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Markk wrote:
Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:38 pm
Ok. If you aren’t claiming that the meeting had anything to do with Burisma, I’ll take that as a concession that it isn’t evidence of any corruption by Joe Biden. Cool.

You said there was a meeting…and I responded that neither one of us know what happened in the meeting? Your only evidence is they did not talk about Burisma is the word of a crack head and a convicted felon that is in prison, and that both worked for a Russian back Oligrach…my evidence is the time line that was before and after the meeting.

That is why I want to move forward and share/discuss the evidence for my concerns. Did JB collude here…maybe he did and maybe he didn’t but there is certainly a lot of circumstantial evidence that he MIGHT have. in my opinion I think he and his family are dirty, but I am open to being wrong…maybe he was oblivious that his son and best friend were working for a Russian backed criminal, maybe in his quid quo pro he did not know the prosecutor wanted to go after but I find that equally hard to proceed, for me both are very hard to believe.
Markk, I was clearly asking you about your claims, not mine. See those four words that precede the words you bolded: "If you aren't claiming..." Please don't cherry pick words out of a sentence to claim that my position is the exact opposite of what I've been telling you for pages now.

Just in case you need a handy reference, here are my claims.

1. Archer didn't pay a "private visit" to the White House. His visit was as public as that of any other person who goes to the White House, as shown by the fact that his visit was logged and the log was made publicly available on the internet by the Obama administration. Claiming that Archer paid a "private visit" to the White House is also highly misleading, in that the visit included his young son and Joe Biden's son. Schweitzer deliberately omitted that the White House visit included Luke because it undercut the conspiracy theory he intended to construct.

2. There is zero evidence that Archer "had a meeting" with Biden. Schweitzer intentionally made that part up.

3. You are claiming that Biden was corrupt, and so it is your burden to provide evidence that he acted corruptly. I have no obligation to disprove your assertions or to produce any evidence that response to claims you make that are not based on evidence.

To date, on the issue of the alleged meeting, we have the following evidence:

1. The White House log.
2. The photo of Hunter Biden's schedule for the same day.
3. The New Yorker article's report of what the three said about the purpose of the visit.

ETA: Also, what exactly are you claiming about Joe Biden. Are you claiming that he acted corruptly in how he used his office in connection with Ukraine or are you claiming that he "might have acted corruptly?"
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Marcus wrote:
Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:48 pm
Markk wrote:
Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:44 pm
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Innuendo now, not supported by any facts later. Your MO’s getting pretty predictable. :roll:
He's simply asserting what Schweizer said in the book, which is filled with innuendo and insinuation, but extremely light on evidence of actual corruption.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:44 am
Markk wrote:
Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:32 am


Where did i ask for evidence CFR
Markk wrote:
Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:12 pm


LOL…so even though Archers name is on the sign in log, even with his sons, you are saying he did not meet the VP? Where is your evidence they did not meet alone?
Markk wrote:
Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:29 pm
Your are just trolling for your tribe,without reading, just like Atlantic Mike. Go back and read the times wrote things like this…” The fact is that you, or I, or PS…have no idea what was said or exchanged…but it happened.” Which is the context of what I wanted a CFR from.

If you choose you can go back and read through Res’ and mine conversation and join in and for once try to have objective conversation, or you can just troll for negatives, errors, mistakes about what I write and ignore them when Res does the same…either way is fine. You are also welcome to nanny and demand things like the Red Queen. (This is more for Marcus in that I promised him I would show him how this forum works for those not in the dominate tribe)

Anyways you choose are fine…
I met your request. A simple thank you would have sufficed.
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Markk, I’m leaving this here. It’s an evidence jar. Like a tip jar, but for a different kind of tip.

Please place evidence of suspected corruption or wrongdoing by Biden in the jar. I’ll check back later to see how full it is.

Thanks!
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:19 pm
Marcus wrote:
Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:48 pm

Innuendo now, not supported by any facts later. Your MO’s getting pretty predictable. :roll:
He's simply asserting what Schweizer said in the book, which is filled with innuendo and insinuation, but extremely light on evidence of actual corruption.
HuH…LOL…you are refusing to discuss the evidence, all we have done is gone in circles over the words met, meeting, and visit?

But this is where the troll starts, but I understand.
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Markk wrote:
Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:28 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:19 pm


He's simply asserting what Schweizer said in the book, which is filled with innuendo and insinuation, but extremely light on evidence of actual corruption.
HuH…LOL…you are refusing to discuss the evidence, all we have done is gone in circles over the words met, meeting, and visit?

But this is where the troll starts, but I understand.
No, you don’t understand. But nice attempt to deflect.

I’m happy to discuss the evidence or lack of evidence anytime. We’ve been stuck here because you keep insisting that Archer had a private meeting with Biden based on zero evidence. If you’re going to cling to that evidence-free assertion, then it’s no use discussing more evidence with you because you aren’t actually interested in evidence.

Let’s try this another way. Would you agree that it is clear that Hunter, Devon, Luke, went to the White House and saw Joe Biden, but the only evidence we have of the reason for the visit is what the three of them told the reporter?
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