Oh what a tangled web we weave

[canpakes]

Res, how come my name is as the author of a post I did not author? What are you guys doing?

Markk, are you quoting and then posting without adding text? That might be what’s happening. I remember seeing a post of yours yesterday that questioned the same sort of thing.

The post immediately above at 6:26 is like that.

Let me know if you want to delete any odd posts under your name. Shoot me a PM with the link and I’ll do that.

[canpakes]

No, not at all, but if their boss is a Russian backed Oligarch, known and wanted for corruption…who was a minister for ecology for a corrupt country and owned a energy producing company and steered permits to his company through that minister position…LOL come on pakes…wake up.

That regards the boss of Burisma. Now, what evidence of corruption do you have for either Biden?

This is like the example of Elizabeth Holmes … she may have committed crimes, but that doesn’t imply that everyone working for her, or who had invested with her, is similarly guilty or were aware of what was happening.

[Res Ipsa]

None, of course, because there isn’t any. I would like Markk to explain his innuendo about the polish ex-pres’ comment when in reality Markk took his statement so far out of context that he’s telling the equivalent of a lie. If not, and his argument is he hasn’t read the full statement and is just parroting another conspiracy theory based on less than nothing, that’s even worse.

Please show me how I took it out of context, and please also paste the video, that was on a national TV interview, where Hunter says it is because of his name he is “wanted.”

Better yet, Markk, why don’t you answer my question?

[Res Ipsa]

What evidence do you have that Joe Biden had any involvement in how any money was distributed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCSF3reVr10

Res, do you really believe that the Ukraine, especially eastern Ukraine, then, and even now, is not corrupt. Once the Ukraine gets this money it is game on and the oligarchs and corrupt politicians start the frenzy. Kick backs is a way of life in places like that and even here in the US. Every one gets a piece of the action so to speak as the monies trickle down. We have our unions and defense contractors etc, places like the Ukraine have oligarchs and dirty politicians…it is how big business is done.

Try reading this… a friend of mine recommended it too me, I paid the full price for it two or three years ago…it is a stea at 3 bucks.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=moneyland+bo ... a7slo6xy_e

Markk, you didn’t answer my question. I didn’t ask about corruption in Ukraine. I didn’t ask about kick backs in the U.S. I didn’t ask for your opinion on how business is done. You have claimed a number of times that Biden decided how aid to Ukraine was distributed. I asked you for evidence of that. Is the answer to my question “no.?”

[Res Ipsa]

Res, how come my name is as the author of a post I did not author? What are you guys doing?

Markk, are you quoting and then posting without adding text? That might be what’s happening. I remember seeing a post of yours yesterday that questioned the same sort of thing.

The post immediately above at 6:26 is like that.

Let me know if you want to delete any odd posts under your name. Shoot me a PM with the link and I’ll do that.

Hmm. I had a similar problem last night with one of my posts. I had written a reply to Markk’s response to my long post about my position. But when I posted it, my quotes of Mark’s response disappeared from my post. I ended up soft deleting my post. I’m going to restore it for comparison.

[Xenophon]

It is also possible you accidently selected "edit" instead of "quote" in your reply. I've seen it happen a few times over the years and across a wide number of boards. I really wish there was a way to easily disable our mod tools except when we are wanting to moderator to prevent those kinds of things.

[Res Ipsa]

It is also possible you accidently selected "edit" instead of "quote" in your reply. I've seen it happen a few times over the years and across a wide number of boards. I really wish there was a way to easily disable our mod tools except when we are wanting to moderator to prevent those kinds of things.

I suspect that’s how the name got changed on to Markk on a post clearly written by cp. I’ve accidentally done that myself a couple of times. The disappearing quotes might be caused by formatting errors that “nests” the quotes too many levels deep. I might have been trying to fix a formatting error when my quotes of Markk disappeared from my post.

[canpakes]

It is also possible you accidently selected "edit" instead of "quote" in your reply. I've seen it happen a few times over the years and across a wide number of boards. I really wish there was a way to easily disable our mod tools except when we are wanting to moderator to prevent those kinds of things.

I suspect that’s how the name got changed on to Markk on a post clearly written by cp. I’ve accidentally done that myself a couple of times. The disappearing quotes might be caused by formatting errors that “nests” the quotes too many levels deep. I might have been trying to fix a formatting error when my quotes of Markk disappeared from my post.

I know that I’ve done that at least once before. If I did it again, I apologize. Markk, I’ll owe you a beverage of your choice.
ETA: Res just pointed out the post in question. I took a look and modified it; it should read correctly, now.

Even so, I still want to see some evidence of the Biden Crime Family’s alleged misdeeds. : D

ETA: Res, I’m pretty sure that the board software only allows quotes to be nested ‘two deep’.

[canpakes]

(Markk, I commingled our posts. The mix-up should be separated out now!)

You just provided a link unwittingly,

Allow me to correct you: I supplied the link quite intentionally. : )

... that showed that part of the over 1 billion in aid and loan guarantees went to the Ukraine.

The figure given in my post was the total of multiple categories, of which energy was a small subsection. Do you even know the dollar value and type of aid that was supplied for the energy security category?

Part of that money went to what, read your link, the natural gas industry. Burisma was the #1 or #2 gas company at the time, depending on what one reads, was allotted funds, so to think that MZ was not after a chunk of that is just ridiculous.

Is it 'ridiculous' because you want it to be true? Or is it ridiculous that you're simply asserting something for which you have not one tiny shred of evidence, and that runs contrary to every examined and educated opinion about your claim?

From my post: "We are supporting Ukrainian efforts to enhance its own energy production, including through technical assistance to help restructure Ukraine’s national oil and gas company, Naftogaz," ... Please note that Naftogaz is not Burisma.

Also from my post: "I can see no way that USAID money has gone to Burisma," said Anders Åslund, a resident senior fellow at the Atlantic Council. "All this money went to the Ukrainian government, None of it went to Burisma."

"I am not aware of Burisma receiving any U.S. funds," added Yoshiko Herrera, professor of political science at the University of Wisconsin-Madison who previously headed the university’s center for Russia, East Europe and Central Asia.

You need to focus here, and re-read your link, and understand THE REASON MZ wanted Hunter Biden on the board was to get a part of that 1.32 Billion in aid.

Complete conjecture. Please focus on facts.

Whether Burisma got any or not, is irrelevant, what is evident is that MZ wanted a chunk of it ...

Complete conjecture. Please focus on facts.

and that is why he went after the son of the man that would be a big part of how th e monies were distributed.

Complete conjecture. Please focus on facts.

Also if you believe that the leading gas company in the Ukraine, with all the corruption and Russian influence did not benefit form the over 1 billion that went out, you are truly naïve.

Except that (1) Burisma isn't the largest producer of natgas in Ukraine, (2) the assistance was a minor part of the overall aid package, (3) the aid was technical in nature, and (4) you don't have any evidence at all of Burisma having received anything.

As for being naïve - I have to go with the experts, the evidence, and the Wall Street Journal and Fox News on this one. No money for Burisma, no found corruption for Hunter, and none for Joe, either.

[Markk]

Is going to take some time to go through everything on a forum like this.

I want to finish this discussion…

Why was 112K wired to Rosamond, in care of Archer, before either of them were hired by Burisma?

Like any true Redneck, double Jim Beam neat, with a Coors light on the side. If it is Saturday night, Jim Beam Black.