Urim & Thummim and Book of Mormon Translation

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From the Encyclopedia Mythica:

Urim and Thummim
by Rabbi Geoffrey W. Dennis

(Meaning uncertain, possibly "Light and Perfection" or "Perfect lights"). A method for inquiring of the God of Israel that was kept part of the priestly garments. Little is truly known about the Urim and Thummim; even the name has been subjected to wildly different translations. The Rabbis understood the Urim and Thummim to be part of the Breastplate of the High Priest and that its oracular function came from light shining through the twelve gemstones mounted on the breastplate. This was achieved by having a plate inscribed with the Tetragrammaton inserted behind the gemstone mounts. Supernal light radiating from the divine name would illuminate different stones. Since each stone was inscribed with the names of the twelve tribes, the Talmud teaches that it functioned as a kind of ouija board, with messages being spelled out for the High Priest. Some believe the Urim were the lights, while the Thummim was a device or code that helped in interpreting the message.

Other interpreters suggest that the Urim and Thummim were separate objects that were both kept in a pouch on the breastplate. In the Bible we read about one individual who made a counterfeit breastplate for his personal cult. For his breastplate he substituted teraphim for the Urim and Thummim (Judges 17-18; Hos. 3:4). This is a tantalizing but frustrating bit of data, because we know even less about the teraphim then we do about the Urim and Thummim. Consequently, the association of the two objects does not shed much light on either, no pun intended. The best evidence is that the two may have both been made of light-reflecting stone; Mesopotamian sources also mention an elmeshu stone used by the gods for oracular purposes.

The context for its mention in Scripture indicates the Urim and Thummim was only used for questions of grave importance, usually connected to the function of the state, such as whether and when to go to war, though there is one passage in Numbers that hints at the possibility it was used for more mundane questions, such as resolving difficult legal questions. The answers given by the Urim and Thummim recorded in the Bible were full sentences, suggesting either that the device was merely an aid to oracular prophecy, or that the Rabbis were correct in their claim that it spelled out messages from the letters on the breastplate.

Mention of the Urim and Thummim ceases early in the history of Israel, indicating that it was no longer in use at the rise of classical prophecy (8th Century BCE). There is some indication that it was reintroduced briefly during the Persian period, but it quickly disappears from the records. Since then it has become part and parcel of Western occult lore; Joseph Smith claimed to have used the Urim and Thummim to read the "Reformed Egyptian" language of the golden book given him by the angel Moroni. (DDS 4QQ376, 4QpIsa; Antiquities; B. Yoma; Exodus Rabbah; Number Rabbah; Sifrei Numbers; Targum Pesudo-Jonathan; PdRE; Zohar; Ramban on Ex. 28).
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Thanks, Oh Great and Marvelous Penguin!
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charity wrote:I am looking for the illustration. I beg your patience.

Any luck, yet? Not to hound you or anything, but I've made some pretty strong statements on this issue in some MySpace groups, and, frankly, I'll be eating humble pie if it turns out this illustration really was published in the Ensign.

I keep checking in here in the hopes you will say you might have made a mistake, but alas...

Thanks!
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You are safe. I have read through hundreds of posts where I thought I had seen it, and can't find it. I will have to retract my statement. I guess there wasn't an illustration in the Ensign. *Sigh* Sorry.
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I appreciated that part where Martin Harris tried to trick Joseph by substituting an ordinary stone, instead of one of the stones of power, and Joseph was unable to continue translating. Teaches one to not mess around with the stones.
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charity wrote:You are safe. I have read through hundreds of posts where I thought I had seen it, and can't find it. I will have to retract my statement. I guess there wasn't an illustration in the Ensign. *Sigh* Sorry.

Works for me. Thanks again for looking!
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