Sufficient repudiation? Why or why not?

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_jon
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Sadly, the Mormon Church still actively promotes racism...

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'the following statement by President Spencer W. Kimball. Have a young man read it.

“We recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally...'

Quote taken from the current teaching manual for 12 - 17 year old boys.
Lesson entitled 'Choosing an Eternal Companion'

It seems that the Church still advocates apartheid...
'Church pictures are not always accurate' (The Nehor May 4th 2011)

Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told.
Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.
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Re: Sufficient repudiation? Why or why not?

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bcspace wrote:Depends on what you mean by "Canaanites" as the PofGP distinguishes between pre and post Flood Canaanites. In addition, the ban is based on Hamitic descent after the Flood. So would there be difficulties determining purity of descent? Of course. But the Church did the best it could with the knowledge it had at the time. God did not intervene, so the course must have been correct. In addition, the ban is not racist by definition so again, no repudiation is needed.


There is only one group of Canaanites - and none of them were black. The supposed pre/post flood distinction is your bad apologetic for Joseph's accidental anachronism.

The flood never happened, but after the date of when the flood was supposed to happen is where you get the Israelites coming out of the Canaanites. In 1000 BC, you cannot distinguish a Canaanite dwelling from an Israelite dwelling. They shared the same gods, the same culture, and the same racial characteristics. Joseph messed up - deal with it. Facts are facts, and Joseph got them wrong.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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Re: Sufficient repudiation? Why or why not?

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bcspace wrote:
The fact that many were excluded from the brotherhood and grace of the priesthood of all things that were primarily of a certain race,


The ban is based on descent. Unfortunately, race was the only known way to identify descent.


Unfortunately for Mormonism, we're all descended from black people.

Unfortunately for the Book of Abraham, Canaanites were Semitic, not black. At ALL points in their history, including "post-flood."

Israelites are cousins of the "post-flood" Canaanites, really a branch of the Canaanite people/culture/religion.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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Re: Sufficient repudiation? Why or why not?

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And one more tiny little fact. Dark skin provides better protection from the sun. THAT is the reason why people are black. It NEVER was about God punishing people, marking people, or any of the other delusions that white people have used to justify their racism against blacks.

Saying that it is about descent and not skin color is a cop out. They still thought, wrongly, that the reason they were black is because of a punishment from God. That is wrong. It is indefensibly wrong. And those that continue to promote it are being racist.

No one is, nor has anyone ever been in the past, black for the reasons the LDS church claims that people were black. Being black is not, nor has it ever been in the past, a curse from God.
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