Is Joseph Smith glorified?

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Re: Is Joseph Smith glorified?

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Simon Belmont wrote:
madeleine wrote:Actually, being Catholic, I have been taught how to understand Scripture as the Catholic Church teaches it. So, I'm telling you there Nevo, God gave to Moses a gift. It is very clear to me, and also described in the footnotes.

But, LDS read things so literally. Even asserting things are metaphors with an effort to put things in a literal sense.

Peace.


Oh well then, read this:

Actually, being LDS, I have been taught how to understand Scripture as the LDS Church teaches it. So, I'm telling you there madeleine, God gave to Joseph Smith a gift. It is very clear to me.


Exodus is not about Mormons.

And, our opinions re: Joseph Smith differ. I'll leave it at that.
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Re: Is Joseph Smith glorified?

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madeleine wrote:
Exodus is not about Mormons.


It isn't about Catholics, either.

And, our opinions re: Joseph Smith differ. I'll leave it at that.


They differ because my opinion re: Joseph Smith is correct, while yours is not.
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Re: Is Joseph Smith glorified?

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madeleine wrote:Maybe the first vision is metaphor, and, the word of wisdom too.


Maybe the entire yearning of Mankind to find explanations for the unknown and protection from the elements is found in the metaphor of God. Don't just kick the tires of Mormonism. This line of inquiry can extend to the very essence of what we call the Divine.
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Re: Is Joseph Smith glorified?

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moksha wrote:
madeleine wrote:Maybe the first vision is metaphor, and, the word of wisdom too.


Maybe the entire yearning of Mankind to find explanations for the unknown and protection from the elements is found in the metaphor of God. Don't just kick the tires of Mormonism. This line of inquiry can extend to the very essence of what we call the Divine.


Well, that would be my point. The latest train of thought I'm reading among Mormons, for everything that wants to be jettisoned, is these are metaphors. This leaves the questions unanswered, and ultimately, requires one to question everything as metaphor.

You should understand, at one time I was a nihilist, so I am familiar with a paradigm where nothing is real. A metaphor works well for a nihilist, for everything. Not just God. Mormonism will annihilate itself in this fashion. It is a very poor argument for asserting the existence of anything, let alone the ultimate *Something*.

God transcends all of this, but Mormonism becomes less and less transcendental, and more and more, *nothing*.
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Re: Is Joseph Smith glorified?

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Simon Belmont wrote:
madeleine wrote:
Exodus is not about Mormons.


It isn't about Catholics, either.


What? I never said anything about this passage talking about a Catholic. I am quite aware it is about Moses, and not anyone else. It was presented to me, I presume by someone who is LDS, as support for an LDS teaching, and then you equated the passage with Joseph Smith. So you're going to have to explain what you mean.


They differ because my opinion re: Joseph Smith is correct, while yours is not.


Again, still just your opinion.
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