Mormonism, Islam, and the Question of Other Religions

[_Daniel Peterson]

http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/6 ... gions.html

[_harmony]

From the article:

FAIR, the Foundation for Apologetic Information and Apologetics, is a volunteer organization that seeks to counter criticisms against Mormonism, though it is not affiliated with and does not speak for the Church.

Not for long, if Scratch is correct.

A prominent defender of Mormonism and a perennial speaker at the annual conference, Brother Peterson addressed the topic "Mormonism, Islam and the Question of Other Religions."

I'm not sure that's a complement. Seems kinda weedy.

He is eminently qualified to do so, being a professor of Islamic Studies and Arabic at BYU and the founder of the Middle Eastern Texts Initiative, a project of the Neal A. Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship at the university.

That's all very well and good, but where's the Islam part of his talk that deals with Muslim intolerance? Oppression of women? Jihad?

Oh wait... nevermind.

His address was rich with quotations from Joseph Smith and other early Church leaders regarding tolerance and appreciation for other religious faiths.

"Very early on, as Joseph's doctrinal understanding grew, his commitment to freedom of religious choice deepened into a theological principle," Brother Peterson observed.

Another way of saying he didn't get it right the first time?

"Joseph was furious at the unjust persecutions to which his followers were subjected in their various settlements, which he viewed as motivated solely by religious prejudice," he said.

"However, he wasn't upset only by injustice against his own people. He was plainly indignant at the 1834 burning of the convent of Ursuline Catholic nuns in Charleston, Mass."

He quoted a statement from the Prophet, which read in part, "If the wicked mob who destroyed the Charleston convent, and the cool, calculating religious lookers on, who inspired their hearts with deeds of infamy, do not arise and redress the wrong, and restore the injured four-fold, they in turn, will receive of the measure they have meted out till the indignation of a just God is satisfied."

Still waiting for the Islam connection.

Nauvoo, Ill., was founded with an invitation to citizens "of every denomination, and every sentiment of religion" to come and settle there, Brother Peterson noted, quoting another statement from Joseph Smith.

Which explains why there were so many Muslims there. Heck, Joseph wouldn't have had to hide his polygamy, had he enticed a few Muslims to Nauvoo.

He quoted the Prophet as saying, "If it has been demonstrated that I have been willing to die for a 'Mormon,' I am bold to declare before heaven that I am just as ready to die in defending the rights of a Presbyterian, a Baptist, or a good man of any other denomination; for the same principle which would trample upon the rights of the Latter-day Saints would trample upon the rights of the Roman Catholics, or of any other denomination who may be unpopular and too weak to defend themselves."

All Christians. Where's the Muslims?

Brother Peterson further quoted this from Joseph Smith: "When we see virtuous qualities in men, we should always acknowledge them, let their understanding be what it may in relation to creeds and doctrine; for all men are, or ought to be free, possessing inalienable rights ... to think and act, and say as they please, while they maintain a due respect to the rights and privileges of all other creatures, infringing upon none."

Where's the Muslims? And where's the women?

"What I wish to demonstrate, however, more than Joseph Smith's commitment to religious tolerance (which might have been expected of any reasonably ethical American in his day), is the positive appreciation of other faiths that he and his successors have encouraged," Brother Peterson said.

I obviously missed the Muslims.

From Joseph Smith, he quoted this statement: "The Lord deals with this people as a tender parent with a child, communicating light and intelligence and the knowledge of his ways as they can bear it."

Said the man who God removed from the earth for leading the church astray.

Brother Peterson spoke of some later Church leaders who showed religious tolerance and friendship to those of other faiths. He cited the Feb. 15, 1978, declaration of the First Presidency under President Spencer W. Kimball which affirmed in part, "The great religious leaders of the world such as Mohammed, Confucius and the Reformers, as well as philosophers including Socrates, Plato and others received a portion of God's light. Moral truths were given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals."

Finally! The Muslims! I wonder what Pres Kimball would have made of 9/11? I'm not sure he'd have gone with the "enlightened" and "understanding" part of that.

1. If you want to know what others believe, ask them. Don't ask their critics or enemies.

2. Compare your best with their best, not their worst with your best.

3. Always leave room for "holy envy."

Okay, that made me laugh.

[_aussieguy55]

That last comment was written by Dr Mouw from Fuller, i think in in his new book or on the site On Being

[_RayAgostini]

I liked this article by Eboo Patel, on "The Faith Divide".

On Mormons and Muslims.

[_stemelbow]

Compare your best with their best, not their worst with your best.

Oh how it would be nice, and reasonable, if this little point ever sank in for anyone around here! I can hope.

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[_Lost Mystic]

"Very early on, as Joseph's doctrinal understanding grew, his commitment to freedom of religious choice deepened into a theological principle," Brother Peterson observed.

Interesting...I wonder what Joseph Smith would have to say about BYU's policy about their students religion choice:

"Registration » Religion Status Change
Students who wish to change their religious status to LDS must bring a copy of their baptismal certificate, a letter from their bishop, or membership record stating their baptism date to the Registration Office.

Students who wish to change their religious status from LDS must initiate the process through the Honor Code Office (4440 WSC, 422-2847).

Students who are not LDS and wish to change their religious status to anything except LDS may do so online."

He quoted a statement from the Prophet, which read in part, "If the wicked mob who destroyed the Charleston convent, and the cool, calculating religious lookers on, who inspired their hearts with deeds of infamy, do not arise and redress the wrong, and restore the injured four-fold, they in turn, will receive of the measure they have meted out till the indignation of a just God is satisfied."

What would Joseph Smith say about a group of people destroying a printing press that was about to bring his corruption to the masses?

So the LDS church supposedly has religious tolerance except for members who decide to leave?

Sorry, but history slaps the mentioned article in the face repeatedly...

[_Willy Law]

1. If you want to know what others believe, ask them. Don't ask their critics or enemies.

While I understand the church wanting to get this message out, surely the internet savvy Dr. Peterson knows this is a relic of the past.
While people may very well ask believers what the believe, none will accept this as "truth" without verifying for themselves on the internet.
I would contend that most people will actively seek out what critics or enemies are saying to get a broad range of perspectives before making any type of decision.
I do this for virtually any electronic or household item. I want to see what the negative reviewers say, decide how much credence I want to give to their arguments and then decide which decision to make. If people look at reviews for a toaster, there is no doubt they will look at critical comments before they decide on a religion. This would, of course, explain the virtual non growth of the LDS church in countries with internet access.

[_jon]

Compare your best with their best, not their worst with your best.

Oh how it would be nice, and reasonable, if this little point ever sank in for anyone around here! I can hope.

Stem, in your opinion, who is 'the best' in terms of LDS apologetics?

I would be very happy to see an online discussion between whoever that is and say, Kevin Graham, or Buffalo about any of the factual issues with Mormonism.

Sadly when discussions of this nature crop up Dr Peterson is; too busy/catching a plane/car's just arrived/got to dash/off to a national park/too superior in intellect - to actually contribute to the thread's content.