Did God lie?

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Re: Did God lie?

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Yes. Good thing I qualified it with a "by your own logic" huh?

By logic, period. Inconsistency is inconsistency.


No, I wasn't the one to make the error in correlation so it's by his or her logic alone.
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Re: Did God lie?

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bcspace wrote:No, I wasn't the one to make the error in correlation so it's by his or her logic alone.


Inconsistency is forbidding and then commanding murder. You're probably bright enough to understand that, but your slavish devotion to the appeal to authority fallacy prevents you from thinking clearly.
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Re: Did God lie?

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Still, it does say she is his wife. But he is still saying he is not his wife. which it does say this in Genesis 20:12 "And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife."

There is no lie whatever in God. And you read what I said about leaving Mormonism? Where did you read that? I don't think I posted that.
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Re: Did God lie?

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In the Biblical account God never said anything to encourage Abraham to try to deceive Pharoah in regard to Sarah. It was Abraham's idea and a product of his own fear. And Joseph Smith was the one who really wasn't honest.
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Still, it does say she is his wife. But he is still saying he is not his wife. which it does say this in Genesis 20:12 "And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife."

There is no lie whatever in God.


No, it is apparent God was being wise in this case as we have more details in Abraham. Consider also the parable of the unjust steward in which God uses an example of being unjust to justify the wise use of money. Every criticism of LDS doctrine merely tears down the Bible and all Christianity.

And you read what I said about leaving Mormonism? Where did you read that? I don't think I posted that.


Haven't read it. Haven't seen it. Don't know what you are talking about here.

In the Biblical account God never said anything to encourage Abraham to try to deceive Pharoah in regard to Sarah. It was Abraham's idea and a product of his own fear.


Sure. The Abraham account simply adds more detail.

And Joseph Smith was the one who really wasn't honest.


Doesn't seem to follow. There are plenty of internally repeating Biblical accounts that don't match on the details. Are you claiming then that the Bible is no longer the word of God and that certain particular prophets or apostles who wrote the accounts are being less than honest?
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Re: Did God lie?

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bcspace wrote:
Still, it does say she is his wife. But he is still saying he is not his wife. which it does say this in Genesis 20:12 "And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife."

There is no lie whatever in God.


No, it is apparent God was being wise in this case as we have more details in Abraham. Consider also the parable of the unjust steward in which God uses an example of being unjust to justify the wise use of money. Every criticism of LDS doctrine merely tears down the Bible and all Christianity.

And you read what I said about leaving Mormonism? Where did you read that? I don't think I posted that.


Haven't read it. Haven't seen it. Don't know what you are talking about here.

In the Biblical account God never said anything to encourage Abraham to try to deceive Pharoah in regard to Sarah. It was Abraham's idea and a product of his own fear.


Sure. The Abraham account simply adds more detail.

And Joseph Smith was the one who really wasn't honest.


Doesn't seem to follow. There are plenty of internally repeating Biblical accounts that don't match on the details. Are you claiming then that the Bible is no longer the word of God and that certain particular prophets or apostles who wrote the accounts are being less than honest?


Every criticism of LDS doctrine merely tears down the Bible and all Christianity.

That is only if you consider Mormon doctrine above the Bible. Many of mormonisms exclusive teachings are not biblical, so if you want to maintain your view that your doctrine is more reliable then it would be subjectively justified.
Matthew 5:18 "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."
Matthew 24:35 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away."

Refuting this means to refute God in His credibility, and ones trust in His Word. Putting the Bible aside, you can see God is not speaking through many of your prophets, and scriptures are not inharmony with each other, even in context. Not to say all of them are, but enough to raise some red flags.

But on some details that don't match up in the Bible, it can be explained by putting the Word in it's entirety into context. Since God speaks through men, we are willing to put to death dishonesty when it comes to a man claiming to received God's Word and revelation. Also if criticism of LDS doctrine tears down the Bible, then why do you accept it? it has, in your view been corrupted. That is dangerous! Accepting something with corruption can spoil the whole thing. It's black and white with God, no grey areas. You either accept it all or none at all. A half truth can mislead.

DOn't you have a more correct book? Book of Mormon?
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Re: Did God lie?

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bcspace wrote:
Still, it does say she is his wife. But he is still saying he is not his wife. which it does say this in Genesis 20:12 "And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife."

There is no lie whatever in God.


No, it is apparent God was being wise in this case as we have more details in Abraham. Consider also the parable of the unjust steward in which God uses an example of being unjust to justify the wise use of money. Every criticism of LDS doctrine merely tears down the Bible and all Christianity.

And you read what I said about leaving Mormonism? Where did you read that? I don't think I posted that.


Haven't read it. Haven't seen it. Don't know what you are talking about here.

In the Biblical account God never said anything to encourage Abraham to try to deceive Pharoah in regard to Sarah. It was Abraham's idea and a product of his own fear.


Sure. The Abraham account simply adds more detail.

And Joseph Smith was the one who really wasn't honest.


Doesn't seem to follow. There are plenty of internally repeating Biblical accounts that don't match on the details. Are you claiming then that the Bible is no longer the word of God and that certain particular prophets or apostles who wrote the accounts are being less than honest?


Every criticism of LDS doctrine merely tears down the Bible and all Christianity.

That is only if you consider Mormon doctrine above the Bible. Many of mormonisms exclusive teachings are not biblical, so if you want to maintain your view that your doctrine is more reliable then it would be subjectively justified.
Matthew 5:18 "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."
Matthew 24:35 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away."

Refuting this means to refute God in His credibility, and ones trust in His Word. Putting the Bible aside, you can see God is not speaking through many of your prophets, and scriptures are not inharmony with each other, even in context. Not to say all of them are, but enough to raise some red flags.

But on some details that don't match up in the Bible, it can be explained by putting the Word in it's entirety into context. Since God speaks through men, we are willing to put to death dishonesty when it comes to a man claiming to received God's Word and revelation. Also if criticism of LDS doctrine tears down the Bible, then why do you accept it? it has, in your view been corrupted. That is dangerous! Accepting something with corruption can spoil the whole thing. It's black and white with God, no grey areas. You either accept it all or none at all. A half truth can mislead.

DOn't you have a more correct book? Book of Mormon?
Our faith does not follow our feelings, our feelings catch up with our faith.
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Re: Did God lie?

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That is only if you consider Mormon doctrine above the Bible


The Bible itself teaches that doctrine, true doctrine, is above the Bible.

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2 Peter 1:20

This doctrine can only come from prophets and apostles who also must be living for the earthly Church to exist. Ephesians 4:11-14

In other words, exegesis is contrary to the Bible.
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