Creeds and the LDS Church in Transition

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Since the Bible nowhere claims to be the only and complete word of God, there is no requirement for any LDS doctrine to be found in it though most of it is and nearly all at least is implied there. BRM's "Mormon Doctrine" has never been considered a doctrinal work. Neither has TPJS:

1. The plurality of Gods - Bible
2. The baptism for the dead done in holy temples - Bible (Temples and BFTD)
3. Celestial marriage which no unworthy member or outsider can attend - Attend what?
4. Polygamy needed to become a God - No such doctrine.
5. Blacks were cursed with a dark skin - PofGP says otherwise.
6. You can become a God if you are worthy; celestial marriage required. Bible says marriage is required for salvation.
7. We were all pre-existent spirits - Bible
8. God has a body of flesh and bones - Bible
9. We have a Heavenly Mother as well as a Heavenly Father - Bible (the image of God is a married couple)
10. There are three levels of heaven. To go to the highest kingdom, you must be a Mormon. Honorable persons go to the Terrestrial kingdom. The dishonest, liars, sorcerers, adulterers and whoremongers go to the Telestial kingdom. Bible and D&C
11. God and his wife achieved a celestial marriage - Since the Bible requires marriage for salvation and Biblical Theosis is the only known process whereby Gods are made, God must be a married man.
12. Heavenly Father died just like Jesus - Not doctrine as far as I can tell.
13. God was once just like us and progressed to godhood - Bible Theosis, see 11 above.
14. God has a father and His Father has a Father, etc. -Bible
15. Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers - Bible says we are the literal children of GOd. Also says God is the Father of spirits. Thus we, Jesus, Lucifer (a fallen angel), and everyone else are literally brothers and sisters.
16a. Jesus and Lucifer each had a plan to people the earth. - Not doctrine.
16b. Jesus' plan was chosen and caused Lucifer to rebel and he and the angels that followed him were cast out of heaven.
17. God lives near a star called Kolob - Not necessary to be in the Bible. But since the Bible teaches that God is a man, there is no need to fear that His physical location may be known though the PofGP context may be "nearest to God in terms of timekeeping".
18. Temple endowments are so sacred that you must be worthy to enter - Bible. Jesus taught esoteric things only a few were to know.
19. Jesus was not able to keep his church together - Bible. There is even a verse stating some will do greater works than Jesus.
20. In the future, you will need Joseph Smith's consent in order to enter the celestial kingdom - Not doctrine though of course one will have to accept him as a prophet like any of the other Biblical prophets.
21a. Not everything you'll need to know concerning salvation will be recorded in the Bible - Not doctrine.
21b. but there will be additional scripture - Bible

The Bible does not conflict with LDS doctrine in any way so to attack the LDS Church using the Bible merely says that one is not a Christian and does not accept the Bible as the word of God.

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Doesn't the Book of Mormon claim the fullness of the Gospel is contained there by D&C




Bruce mcConkie

Our revelations say that the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of Gospel. { D&C 20:9, 27:5. 42:12, 135:3 } This is true in the sense that Book of Mormon is a record of God's dealings with a people who had the fulness of the gospel and therefore the laws and priciples leading to the highest salvation are found recorded in that book.
The fullness consists in those laws, doctrines, ordnances, powers, and authorities needed to enable men to gain the fullness of salvation. Mormon Doctrine page 333


Charles W Penrose trying to explain

Another explanation is found in Answers to Gospel Questions Vol. 3 pp 98-99 under Counsel given by President Charles W. Penrose
Now, some of our brethren have taken up quite a discussion as to the fulness of the everlasting gospel. We are told that the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the gospel, that those who like to get up a dispute, say that the Book of Mormon does not contain any reference to the work of salvation for the dead, and that there are many other things pertaining to the gospel that are not developed in that book, and yet we are told that the book contains "the fulness of the everlasting gospel." well what is the fulnesspel? You read carefully the revelation in regard to the three glories, section 76, in the Doctrine and Covanants, and you find there defined what the gospel is, There God the Eternal Father, and Jesus Christ, his son, and the Holy Ghost, are held up as the three persons in the Trinity-the one God the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, all three being one God. When people believe in that doctrine and obey the ordinances which are spoken of in the same list of principals, you get the fulness of the gospel for this reason:
General Conference Report, April 1922, pp 27-28.


Pearl Of Great Price
34 He said there was a abook deposited, written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of this continent, and the source from whence they sprang. He also said that the fulness of the everlasting Gospel was contained in it, as delivered by the Savior to the ancient inhabitants;

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Doesn't the Book of Mormon claim the fullness of the Gospel is contained there by D&C

The Book of Mormon contains a fulness of the Gospel yes. I notice it didn't say doctrines.

[_Mittens]

Doesn't the Book of Mormon claim the fullness of the Gospel is contained there by D&C

The Book of Mormon contains a fulness of the Gospel yes. I notice it didn't say doctrines.

[b] Aren't they like Love and Marriage and Horse and carriage


Our revelations say that the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of Gospel. { D&C 20:9, 27:5. 42:12, 135:3 } This is true in the sense that Book of Mormon is a record of God's dealings with a people who had the fulness of the gospel and therefore the laws and priciples leading to the highest salvation are found recorded in that book.
The fullness consists in those laws, doctrines, ordnances, powers, and authorities needed to enable men to gain the fullness of salvation. Mormon Doctrine page 333

Aren't all the underlined above doctrines ?

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Our revelations say that the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of Gospel. { D&C 20:9, 27:5. 42:12, 135:3 } This is true in the sense that Book of Mormon is a record of God's dealings with a people who had the fulness of the gospel and therefore the laws and priciples leading to the highest salvation are found recorded in that book.
The fullness consists in those laws, doctrines, ordnances, powers, and authorities needed to enable men to gain the fullness of salvation. Mormon Doctrine page 333

Aren't all the underlined above doctrines ?

Read it more carefully. He's saying the Book of Mormon contains laws and principles the extension of which are the doctrines and ordinances etc. So not only did you not accurately read the statement, but you are imposing on the Church a statement that does not come from a doctrinally recognized work.

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With divine inspiration, the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles counsel together to establish doctrine that is consistently proclaimed in official Church publications.
-Official LDS Church stance on doctrine.

Wasn't McConkie a so-called Apostle and brother-in-law of a so-called- prophet ?

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If the Book of Mormon were to be deleted from the canon and all references in manuals removed. What Mormon Gospel Principles or Doctrines would be lost because they cannot be found in the other scriptures available?