Book of Mormon a Stolen Novel?

[_Drifting]

Murder is not the same as execution. Killing that takes place during warfare is not murder. Show me where the God of the Bible is inconsistant and nasty.

Noah's Flood.
God killed every living thing on the planet with the exception of eight or so people. That means He killed every man, woman, child and infant who wasn't on that boat. That seems to me to be inconsistent with a loving God.

The wages of sin is death. Noah's world was almost entirely unrighteous. As with Sodom (where the number of righteous "men" found was just one) the number of righteous men had dwindled. What a loving Creator did was show mercy. The reality is that the entire human race would have become godless and Christ/Love would not have come. The righteous who had died believing a Redeemer was coming would have been eternally separated from God. You do not understand this, I assume.

So, you believe that your path and your choices in this life have already been predetermined based on society before your birth? And, regardless of your character, if you are destined to become godless there is nothing you can do? This would take a lot of pressure off, because it means sinners can just point to the fact that it isn't their fault.

[_LittleNipper]

Noah's Flood. God killed every living thing on the planet with the exception of eight or so people. That means He killed every man, woman, child and infant who wasn't on that boat. That seems to me to be inconsistent with a loving God.

The wages of sin is death. Noah's world was almost entirely unrighteous. As with Sodom (where the number of righteous "men" found was just one) the number of righteous men had dwindled. What a loving Creator did was show mercy. The reality is that the entire human race would have become godless and Christ/Love would not have come. The righteous who had died believing a Redeemer was coming would have been eternally separated from God.
So, you believe that your path and your choices in this life have already been predetermined based on society before your birth? And, regardless of your character, if you are destined to become godless there is nothing you can do? This would take a lot of pressure off, because it means sinners can just point to the fact that it isn't their fault.[/quote]
I believe that God actually knows the choices we will make. Not that HE programs us, but that He just knows all. Omniscient. God predestined to create the world, knowing how things would turn out. It is simply that HE knows many will turn to HIM and so HE has allowed others the paths that they take so that the whosoeverwills will come. The fact is that God knew I'd become a Christian, You have that chance also, but your opportunity is NOW. Ask GOD through Jesus to save you. It is that simple. The rest becomes God's work...

[_Drifting]

I believe that God actually knows the choices we will make. Not that HE programs us, but that He just knows all. Omniscient. God predestined to create the world, knowing how things would turn out. It is simply that HE knows many will turn to HIM and so HE has allowed others the paths that they take so that the whosoeverwills will come. The fact is that God knew I'd become a Christian, You have that chance also, but your opportunity is NOW. Ask GOD through Jesus to save you. It is that simple. The rest becomes God's work...

I've just chosen to eat a biscuit. Did God know I was going to do that before I did it?

God already knows wether or not I will ask Him, through Jesus, to save me, right? He already knows if I will end up choosing righteousness or not, right?

What if I decide my religiosity on the flip of a coin, does He know the outcome? Will He fix the result?

[_LittleNipper]

I believe that God actually knows the choices we will make. Not that HE programs us, but that He just knows all. Omniscient. God predestined to create the world, knowing how things would turn out. It is simply that HE knows many will turn to HIM and so HE has allowed others the paths that they take so that the whosoeverwills will come. The fact is that God knew I'd become a Christian, You have that chance also, but your opportunity is NOW. Ask GOD through Jesus to save you. It is that simple. The rest becomes God's work...

I've just chosen to eat a biscuit. Did God know I was going to do that before I did it?

God already knows wether or not I will ask Him, through Jesus, to save me, right? He already knows if I will end up choosing righteousness or not, right?

What if I decide my religiosity on the flip of a coin, does He know the outcome? Will He fix the result?

God knows that you love biscuits. And He knows that you would not say grace before you ate it. God does know your future. However, God gives us the future so that those who will turn to Christ will learn from experiencing it for themselves... This is how Christians learn to TRUST God.

[_Quasimodo]

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God knows that you love biscuits. And He knows that you would not say grace before you ate it. God does know your future. However, God gives us the future so that those who will turn to Christ will learn from experiencing it for themselves... This is how Christians learn to TRUST God.

Nipper, you seem to have a vast knowledge of what God thinks and knows. Did you ask him about Drifting's love of biscuits or did it come to you in a dream?

Personally, I don't think you know anymore about God then I do, which is nothing. Maybe it's time for a little self reflection. Think how angry God will be with you for speaking out of turn.

[_gdemetz]

I'm taking up for Nipper this time. He's right!

[_LittleNipper]

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God knows that you love biscuits. And He knows that you would not say grace before you ate it. God does know your future. However, God gives us the future so that those who will turn to Christ will learn from experiencing it for themselves... This is how Christians learn to TRUST God.

Nipper, you seem to have a vast knowledge of what God thinks and knows. Did you ask him about Drifting's love of biscuits or did it come to you in a dream?

Personally, I don't think you know anymore about God then I do, which is nothing. Maybe it's time for a little self reflection. Think how angry God will be with you for speaking out of turn.

Drifting said he choose to have biscuits. People don't usually choose what they hate... I read the Bible and accept it, so, I have at least a biblical understanding of what God wants, thinks, and knows. I do not claim more then He has revealed --- including three persons forming one God.

[_Quasimodo]

Drifting said he choose to have biscuits. People don't usually choose what they hate...

Drifting likes biscuits... who could blame him. Unless I'm wrong, biscuits are the same as cookies in the US. So you deduced that rather than a message from God.

I read the Bible and accept it, so, I have at least a biblical understanding of what God wants, thinks, and knows. I do not claim more then He has revealed --- including three persons forming one God.

Pretty slim knowledge of God's wants and needs. Especially in modern times.

Don't get me wrong, Nipper. I'm not picking on you personally (I'm sure you are a very nice guy). I just have a problem with the logic you use to defend your positions.

[_gdemetz]

Bump to Nipper.

[_LittleNipper]

Drifting likes biscuits... who could blame him. Unless I'm wrong, biscuits are the same as cookies in the US. So you deduced that rather than a message from God.

I read the Bible and accept it, so, I have at least a biblical understanding of what God wants, thinks, and knows. I do not claim more then He has revealed --- including three persons forming one God.

Pretty slim knowledge of God's wants and needs. Especially in modern times.

Don't get me wrong, Nipper. I'm not picking on you personally (I'm sure you are a very nice guy). I just have a problem with the logic you use to defend your positions.

God doesn't need anything including in these "modern" times. And I thought we were in the post-modern era? I can be a very nice guy, yet I've been called some pretty nasty things. I'm sure I was derserving of some of it ---- I'm a sinful human, saved by grace not perfect. Go ahead, make my day --- pick on me!