The Intersection of the Gospel and Politics Part II

[_Droopy]

This was the original list in the OP:

a. The nature of freedom,
b. Political and individual liberty,
c. Property rights,
d. Theories and forms of economic and social
organization,
e. The tension between the individual and the group, between liberty and
equality, between personal morality and the moral diffusion of mass consciousness, and the psychology of collectivism.

Let's move on into some bite-size chunks, as we explore this fundamental question of intersections.


1. The nature of freedom. Where does (or does) the gospel intersect politics, political philosophy (ideology) and public policy in this area?

[_Falcon A]

How does one make this vote/result work with what you're saying?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8655 ... tml?pg=all

Seems to be at odds with your points.
Highland, Ut is 98% LDS.

http://www.city-data.com/city/Highland-Utah.html

Thanks.

[_Kittens_and_Jesus]

I'd rather roll my own.

;)

Only people who smoke Top or people that roll 50/50's say that...

[_Molok]

Wrong. They couldn't handle God's actual law so they had to be whipped into salvation via the Law of Moses. The only reason it worked is because Christ was the culmination of it. Now that we are under the Gospel law, more responsibility falls on us.

See also what Jesus taught. Lay up treasures in heaven. Invest your talents. Being good with money essential for salvation. One is judged by how much one has improved their lot in life. We can't be commanded in all things. LoC advocates private property and requires an FMC to work. Etc. The Gospel is FMC and a complete rejection of socialism.

That's right BC, if the Bible won't support your wild assertions, just make stuff up. Well done.

[_Bazooka]

Wrong. They couldn't handle God's actual law so they had to be whipped into salvation via the Law of Moses. The only reason it worked is because Christ was the culmination of it. Now that we are under the Gospel law, more responsibility falls on us.

See also what Jesus taught. Lay up treasures in heaven. Invest your talents. Being good with money essential for salvation. One is judged by how much one has improved their lot in life. We can't be commanded in all things. LoC advocates private property and requires an FMC to work. Etc. The Gospel is FMC and a complete rejection of socialism.

That's right BC, if the Bible won't support your wild assertions, just make stuff up. Well done.

Well Keith McMullin of the Presiding Bishopric seems to agree (partly) with bcspace:

Keith B. McMullin, who for 37 years served within the Mormon leadership and now heads a church-owned holding company, Deseret Management Corp. (DMC), an umbrella organization for many of the church’s for-profit businesses. “We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... make-money

[_Droopy]

We know that there were a number of small, communist-like experimental communities in Utah at the time of the building-up of the Salt Lake valley under the particular, survival and entrenchment period version of LoC then being practiced, and we also know, by even a cursory study of them, that some of them were well outside the bounds of the UO as outlined in the D&C.

Part of the economic structure in place at the time was revealed, doubtless, but some of it was also clearly experimental and of human design, based as it may have been assumed, on gospel principles.

The real lesson here, to my mind, is not that there was a bastardization of correct UO principles by disparate groups during this time, but that the Saints must be very careful with such teachings as the United Order, because if applied and practiced according to correct principles, it will prepare and refine a people such that they may be ready to receive the Savior at his Second Coming. Misinterpreted, misused, or corrupted by the importation of concepts and doctrines from the world, however, it will turn on its practitioners and the results will be failure and misery.

Its really very much like human sexuality. Used correctly, it is ennobling, joyous, and sanctifying. Used improperly, its a churning pyroclastic flow crushing and consuming all in its path.