The CCC wrote:Of course he can sin. God doesn't give up his agency. He chooses just like you and I.
Does a designer violate his own design? God follows his own rules. If God chooses by his own actions to become sinful. Is he still God? He is perfect, but perfection can not violate agency.
Cleon disagrees
W. Cleon Skousen, a former BYU professor, wrote:
Through modern revelation we learn that the universe is filled with vast numbers of intelligences, and we further learn that Elohim is God simply because all of these intelligences honor and sustain Him as such.... But since God 'acquired' the honor and sustaining influence of 'all things' it follows as a corollary that if He should ever do anything to violate the confidence or sense of justice' of these intelligences, they would promptly withdraw their support, and the 'power' of God would disintegrate.... 'He would cease to be God.' Our Heavenly Father can do only those things which the intelligences under Him are voluntarily willing to support Him in accomplishing (The First 2000 Years, pp. 355-356).
Justice = Getting what you deserve Mercy = Not getting what you deserve Grace = Getting what you can never deserve
The CCC wrote:Of course he can sin. God doesn't give up his agency. He chooses just like you and I.
Does a designer violate his own design? God follows his own rules. If God chooses by his own actions to become sinful. Is he still God? He is perfect, but perfection can not violate agency.
Cleon disagrees
W. Cleon Skousen, a former BYU professor, wrote:
Through modern revelation we learn that the universe is filled with vast numbers of intelligences, and we further learn that Elohim is God simply because all of these intelligences honor and sustain Him as such.... But since God 'acquired' the honor and sustaining influence of 'all things' it follows as a corollary that if He should ever do anything to violate the confidence or sense of justice' of these intelligences, they would promptly withdraw their support, and the 'power' of God would disintegrate.... 'He would cease to be God.' Our Heavenly Father can do only those things which the intelligences under Him are voluntarily willing to support Him in accomplishing (The First 2000 Years, pp. 355-356).
That doesn't say what you think he said. Of course God has agency. He can choose. He/we are free to choose any action we want. He/we are not free to choose the consequences of those actions.
