Book of Lehi and the 116-page Manuscript

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Re: Vineyard vs. Orchard & Oliveyard

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Shulem wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 3:57 pm
Valo,

It's my fault for allowing this thread (116-page Manuscript) to venture off into a lost vineyard. After this, would you mind if we continue this discussion down in the Terrestrial forum where my thread Vineyard vs. Orchard & Oliveyard focuses strictly on this subject? However, if you don't mind, I would like to comment on your last post and will do so here. I may decide to copy this post and paste it in the other thread.

Valo wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2025 11:17 pm
Anciently olive trees were planted alongside with vines or in a vineyard because it works. Looks like you abandoned that argument and have focused on the one you think is stronger! :D

I have no problem with planting vineyards and oliveyards "ALONGSIDE" of each other whether in ancient times or today. But I do have a problem with planting an olive grove (orchard) *in* an ancient Jewish vineyard because the Law of Moses forbids it (Deut 22:9, Lev 19:19). And we can assume that Zenos followed the Law of Moses and kept that charge strictly. You will recall that pious Nephites & Lamanites were strict (Alma 30:3, Hel 12:1) to keep the Law of Moses and would have followed suit in maintaining husbandry according to the Law of Moses which was contained on the brass plates.

Valo wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2025 11:17 pm
As to your "stronger" argument it appears you are hanging on the thread that vineyard somehow only recently began to mean "a sphere of endeavor" and that Websters dictionary is the only relevant dictionary available for this time frame. :D Okay.

How hardly would Moses or Zenos be obliged to harken to what Gentiles in 1300 AD thought about vineyard husbandry! The Law of Moses was the standard! Valo, your apologetic reasoning is fatally flawed.

Valo wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2025 11:17 pm
Also vineyard has meant "a ground planted with vines" not grape vines, just vines, since before Joseph Smith was born.

https://books.google.com/books?id=z3kKA ... rd&f=false

Please note that your citation:

VINEYARD, (vin'-yard) A ground planted with vines.

Does not include olives because trees don't grow on vines!
You were proven wrong. I didn't know any of this until the Spirit showed me. Instead of admitting your error, you double down. That's the arrogance and pride of this forum in full display.

But the Spirit already showed me your response. :D

Yout criticism of the Book of Mormon is actually strong evidence of it's authenticity. :D
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Re: Vineyard vs. Orchard & Oliveyard

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Valo wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:14 pm
You were proven wrong.
Val, you are certainly entitled to think that. I recognize that you don't agree with me and I'm fine with that.
Valo wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:14 pm
I didn't know any of this until the Spirit showed me.
Of course you are the pilot of your own life and may interpret or understand the Spirit® according to the dictates of your own conscience.
Valo wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:14 pm
Instead of admitting your error, you double down.
I'm very confident of my position and for that I do not apologize.
Valo wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:14 pm
That's the arrogance and pride of this forum in full display.
It's not appreciated when posters insult fellow posters here in the Celestial forum. I would prefer you did that down in the Terrestrial where you were invited to continue the conversation.
Valo wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:14 pm
But the Spirit already showed me your response. :D
You know what Val? I have my own Spirit® and it's much more amazing and powerful than the one I experienced while living Mormonism. There is no comparison!
Valo wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:14 pm
Yout criticism of the Book of Mormon is actually strong evidence of it's authenticity.
You typed that last comment so fast you misspelled the opening word. Please take greater care in what you say.

Have a great day, Val!
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