Zeke Johnson Sees Resurrection

[_Blixa]

Just googled zeke---interesting character who was involved in the history of Rainbow Bridge. I'm guessing he knew Zane Grey, then.

[_moksha]

I'm guessing he knew Zane Grey, then.

Perhaps he even served as a archetypal character in one of the novels.

[_Inconceivable]

The story tells me that the Mormon church must be undeniably true (even though it certainly is not).

Here are the elements:

1) The story is told by a Mormon. He sorts things out and draws conclusions that only a Mormon could - because he is a simple, honorable man with nothing to gain. He has the "gift of the holy ghost". But he has everything to gain - this ensures his children will remain faithful to the church. I'll explain at the end of the post.

2) The resurrected human can only be a Jaredite or Nephite. This confirms that the Book of Mormon is true - Whites from these tribes lived in North America. Zeke has been to their houses and he "knows". As mentioned previous, Mesoamerica is the current backstroke.

3) By revelation, Zeke was told the Mormon priesthood was used to consecrate the youngster's resting place. Only one who holds the authority God gives to Mormons can do such things. Once again, reafirmation. The fact is that when a body loses it's spirit, it eventually goes back to dust (as even Adam's did). Those that honor and memorialize the individual have undoubtedly gone through the same separation. If there is an afterlife, resurrection, knowone has been unaccounted for. A time comes after hundreds of years when mother earth must see grave markers as residual and needless clutter.

4) The description of a Mormon resurrection is confirmed. Not only that but it is descriptive of one of the tokens repeated only in a Mormon temple. This referrence is too sacred to be repeated or understood by anyone but the endowed. But there is a fatal flaw in this Faith-Promoting Rumor in referrence to the resurrection: Joseph and Hyrum Smith ARE resurrected. This was common knowledge (by revelation of the prophets) PRIOR to their remains being exumed and reburried in their current location next to the Smith home in Nauvoo.

5) It is not tossed as rediculous because a Mormon leader confirms through the "spirit" that this phenomenon took place. The Holy Ghost confirms even the most nonsensical stories that don't even fit existing doctrine but shape the new pop doctrine.

6) The incident is reafirmed by the "spirit".

These are the stories that only cause me to become irritated. There are so many things wrong with this account to make it purely fiction.

I am inclined to conclude that the story came from a man, that, inspite the "righteous" intentions of his heart to create a reason for his children to believe in his religion, he lied to accomplish it. Shame on him.

My mother has used this tactic of making up colorful stories of her own that have ultimately discredited her to her children.

It reminds me of what Karl Marx said to justify his lies to bring about Socialism, "..by whatever means necessary..".

Thanks but no thanks.

[_Gillebre]

I enjoy reading this story, and I take quiet comfort to know the validity concerning it. :D

It just reassures to me how the Lord doesn't work through the mighty and wealthy to bring revelation - He works through the humble and meek. So was the case with Joseph Smith, and so it is again. :)

[_DonBradley]

Liz,

You use the most beautiful women as your avatars.

SIGH.

Don

[_asbestosman]

My mother has used this tactic of making up colorful stories of her own that have ultimately discredited her to her children.

Are you serious? How can true believers justify this to themselves? I'm curious as to what FPRs people invent especially if it's one I haven't heard before.

As to whether Zeke was lying, I'm not so sure. He may have merely confused a dream with reality for example.

[_Doctor Steuss]

As to whether Zeke was lying, I'm not so sure. He may have merely confused a dream with reality for example.

One thing I get from it is that he believed he saw it. But, as he was out in the field plowing at the time, it may have been heat-stroke, or some form of exhaustion or electrolyte imbalance that brought about a hallucination. But, I think that he definitely believed that he saw what he says he saw… says saw he saw she saw sea shells by the sea shore…

[_Inconceivable]

My mother has used this tactic of making up colorful stories of her own that have ultimately discredited her to her children.

Are you serious? How can true believers justify this to themselves? I'm curious as to what FPRs people invent especially if it's one I haven't heard before.

As to whether Zeke was lying, I'm not so sure. He may have merely confused a dream with reality for example.

My mother has given me and my siblings her conversion story for over 30 years. She is devastated and frenzied that I am the 4th and last of her children to "reject the Gospel" and go "apostate". At her mission farewell last year, she recounted her story how she felt God and Jesus confirm the truth to her. But this time she saw them... and Joseph Smith too. Her reason for asking God about the truth of the church (at age 10) was that she just couldn't follow something unless she had a witness herself - this was new too. I might add that she grew up in a little town in Utah where she could only have known Mormonism. Her little appendage to the simple conversion story destroyed her credibility with me.

Her only hope now is to be a super Mormon so that even if it takes eternity, her righteousness will ensure our place with her in the Mormon God's kingdom.

Unfortunately, just because it makes you feel good doesn't make or wish it true.

[_Gillebre]

Don't worry, Inc. You won't make it back unless you want to. :)

There is no chance you'll get it, if you didn't want it, so it's all good. ;)

[_Inconceivable]

Don't worry, Inc. You won't make it back unless you want to. :)

There is no chance you'll get it, if you didn't want it, so it's all good. ;)

Here's the blah blah on what I'm referring to Gillebre:

http://mormondiscussions.com/discuss/vi ... php?t=1742



By the way, I used to be just like you - BOO!