haleray wrote:I would like to point out that most of the mistakes in the Book of Mormon are typographic errors, misspelling, and the fact that English was still in the formative stage.
Fair enough, then let's give this verse a whirl:
12 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
(Book of Mormon | 3 Nephi 13:12)
New Testament Version:
13 And lead us not into temptation..
(KJV New Testament | Matthew 6:13)
No problem, right? If anything, Smith was accused of plagierism.
However, several years later, the Mormon God revealed to His prophet Joseph that the New Testament was rife with flaws and misunderstandings - her is one such verse that had suffered improper translation or perhaps even a deliberate twist by a wicked scribe:
13 And suffer us not to be led into temptation..
(New Testament | Joseph Smith Translation Matthew 6:13)
Perhaps 3 Nephi 13:12 was one of those verses in which the rock had a brain freeze. Recall that the rock would not show the next verse unless it was correctly copied by the scribe. Whether or not it may have just been a low battery or functional fixedness, perhaps this is why Mormon prophets don't use rocks anymore.
The Nehor wrote:I confess I have no idea how the information on that page would change anything.
Because it shows how Joseph merely read God's words off the seer stone. So it was God's poor English, not Joseph's.
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The Nehor wrote:I confess I have no idea how the information on that page would change anything.
Because it shows how Joseph merely read God's words off the seer stone. So it was God's poor English, not Joseph's.
ESL for God. Kolobian is his native language.
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The Nehor wrote:I confess I have no idea how the information on that page would change anything.
Because it shows how Joseph merely read God's words off the seer stone. So it was God's poor English, not Joseph's.
If that was all it took then how come Oliver Cowdery wasn't able to get very far and was counseled to study it out in his mind?
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Dr. Shades wrote:ESL for God. Kolobian is his native language.
No, no, it's Arabic, according to my wife and 1.3 billion of her fellow Muslims. Either way, it ain't God's fault--he could only give Joseph words that Joseph knew and understood, so God was limited by Joseph's language abilities. That's why there are only English words in the Book of Mormon and no transliterations from the ancient Reformed Egyptian language that Joseph was translating from the plates that lay hidden outside inside the hollowed-out trunk of a tree.
Oh, wait, what's that you say? Cureloms and cumoms? Umm, well, look! An obsidian-laced club!
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Dr. Shades wrote:ESL for God. Kolobian is his native language.
No, no, it's Arabic, according to my wife and 1.3 billion of her fellow Muslims. Either way, it ain't God's fault--he could only give Joseph words that Joseph knew and understood, so God was limited by Joseph's language abilities. That's why there are only English words in the Book of Mormon and no transliterations from the ancient Reformed Egyptian language that Joseph was translating from the plates that lay hidden outside inside the hollowed-out trunk of a tree.
Oh, wait, what's that you say? Cureloms and cumoms? Umm, well, look! An obsidian-laced club!
Don't forget -- all the sheum you can eat!
The more I think about it, there really is no basis for a loose translation, is there?
The Nehor wrote:If that was all it took then how come Oliver Cowdery wasn't able to get very far and was counseled to study it out in his mind?
Interesting question. Let's explore it. If Joseph Smith were a true prophet in actual communication with God, and God told him that Oliver Cowdery could translate, and Joseph let Oliver give it a go, why didn't God help Oliver succeed? Was Oliver not faithful enough? He was faithful enough to serve as Joseph's scribe (and we know that God demanded faithfulness for that position because Martin Harris lost his job over the 116-pages fiasco). And he was faithful enough to serve as one of the Three Witnesses where he allegedly saw an angel and the gold plates. And he was faithful enough subsequently to get the priesthoods with Joseph (again from angels). So why would God not simply give Oliver the words he needed? Why wouldn't Joseph have told Oliver how it was to be done before he started and not waited for him to fail, and then tell him how to do it but not let him have another go at it?
Now let's look at another possibility. If Joseph Smith were not really in communication with God, but instead was just making it up on his own (whether or not he was self-deceived or just deceiving others), then Oliver would not be in communication with God, either. He would try to translate but not get any messages from God. Joseph would then have to do it all himself, being the only one who could. Which makes more sense? That God would command Joseph to let Oliver translate and then refuse to give Oliver the necessary revelation, even though by all accounts Oliver was certainly worthy at the time to receive it. Or that God was not in communication with Joseph or Oliver at all?
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GoodK wrote:quote="Equality" quote="Dr. Shades" ESL for God. Kolobian is his native language. /quote No, no, it's Arabic, according to my wife and 1.3 billion of her fellow Muslims. Either way, it ain't God's fault--he could only give Joseph words that Joseph knew and understood, so God was limited by Joseph's language abilities. That's why there are only English words in the Book of Mormon and no transliterations from the ancient Reformed Egyptian language that Joseph was translating from the plates that lay hidden outside inside the hollowed-out trunk of a tree. Oh, wait, what's that you say? Cureloms and cumoms? Umm, well, look! An obsidian-laced club! /quote Don't forget -- all the sheum you can eat! The more I think about it, there really is no basis for a loose translation, is there?
Don't eat sheum without neas! It causes unrecoverable brain damage!
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