My Column in the "Mormon Times"

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Daniel Peterson wrote:
The most serious problem is that I travel a lot. Often for weeks at a time. (I'm whispering because, plainly, my doing so absolutely infuriates a few people here.) I'm curious to see how well I'll actually be able to create a stockpile of columns-written-in-advance to meet such situations.


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Why do people get upset that you travel a lot?
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Rambo wrote:Why do people get upset that you travel a lot?

They believe -- or claim to believe -- that I'm boasting.

Traveling's just what I do, though. Part of it, anyway.

I also grade student papers. Big deal.


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Daniel Peterson wrote:I also grade student papers. Big deal.




Do you utilize the time honored university tradition of thickness based on blank paper inserts in formulating grades?

Being the Church's Ambassador-at-Large, it is only natural that you travel extensively. Whether on speaking engagements at Ft. McMurray or meeting with British tribal leaders, people should rejoice at your dedication rather than being envious and throwing stones.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:A new column of mine appeared in the “Mormon Times” section of the Deseret News today, entitled by the newspaper’s editors “Prophet’s Birthday Fits with Season”:

http://www.mormontimes.com/article/1902 ... ith-season

From your article:
In fact, we generally don't mark his birthday at all, let alone celebrate it — and not only because it's swallowed up in the mega-holiday that follows 48 hours later.

Who is your intended audience? Surely it isn't any active Mormon. Mormons that attend the two sundays before christmas are witnesses that faithful history about Smith is on the agenda.

Is there a year that goes by where active Mormons don't get this in their christmas stocking?:

3 Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it.
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 135:3)

What you wish the church was and what it is are two seperate things. One is an embarrassment to a so-called intellectual scholar, the other is what it is.

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I think the very public celebration of Smithmas in 2005 left many with a bad taste in their mouth. This was the year that a large celebration took place at the Rice Eccles stadium in Salt Lake City. President Hinkley declared to a standing ovation that the Prophet Joseph Smith has done more save Jesus only for the salvation of men in this world than any other man that ever lived in it.

It was also during this time I heard many TBM people in my ward discuss and talk about Smithmas. While this seemed to be a one time celebration of sorts, the emphasis on a Smithmas holiday took a few years to fade from our minds. I believe that not only did the LDS church receive a lot of criticism from Christian groups about that event, but many members like myself, felt that the holiday that commemorates Jesus took a back seat to Smithmas that year.
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That the anniversary of Joseph Smith's birth on 23 December 1805 is, not uncommonly (though also not always), mentioned in Mormon services and/or classes during the run-up to Christmas doesn't bother me even slightly. I honor and respect him.

In fact, mostly because we just wanted an excuse to have friends over but also partly because we thought his birthday was being overlooked, my wife and I have hosted a Joseph Smith birthday party on 23 December for the past ten or fifteen years, to which we invite a few couples that (with one exception) we know from the old days in the Cairo Egypt Branch, along with their (now mostly grown) children. We eat a Middle Eastern meal, exchange white elephant gifts, and sing . . . choral Christmas anthems. (As luck would have it, all of these people are very serious singers and musicians -- one has a Ph.D. in music composition, another sang soprano solo at Carnegie Hall, and so forth-- so it's a lot of fun. ) Only once did we actually do something related to Joseph Smith: We invited my friend Scott Faulring over . . . to talk about Christmas customs among the Saints in Joseph Smith's day.

I've attended a few "missionary farewell" sacrament meetings in which, while we learned a lot about how cute the soon-to-leave missionary was when he was a child and what a fine quarterback he was in high school, we've heard distressingly little about Christ or any principle of his gospel. I freely grant that worship services in this lay church don't always match my ideal of what they should be.

However, although, in my decades of serious involvement with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Joseph Smith's birthday has occasionally been mentioned during worship services, it has never come within light years of drowning out the Christmas hymns or supplanting the Christmas programs or taking over the Christmas breakfasts or replacing the Christmas trees or dominating the Christmas sermons. I've spent multiple Christmas seasons with Latter-day Saint congregations in California, Utah, Europe, and the Middle East, and, certainly in my experience, "Smithmas" is pure fiction. I've attended several Christmas concerts with the Tabernacle Choir, but have never so much as heard of a "Smithmas" concert.

On the other hand, I'm perfectly willing to grant -- as, in fact, I did grant in the column that I published last Thursday -- that "our more extreme critics" do claim that we celebrate "Smithmas" each year. So please don't think that I was ignoring you.
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How did Smith celebrate Christmas? I am sure Emma would want his total attention that day. He could not visit with any other wife on an attic (Clayton diary). It must have been a lonely christmas for most of those ladies (33 marriages (Compton). ). Did he buy gifts for all of them?
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Daniel Peterson wrote:..my wife and I have hosted a Joseph Smith birthday party on 23 December for the past ten or fifteen years..

Only once did we actually do something related to Joseph Smith.

Noting the only substantive, albeit bewildering statements in your convoluded post.

Evidently you do to yourself what you do to all of us on a regular basis. Among other things, you actually derailed your own thread.
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Inconceivable wrote:
Daniel Peterson wrote:..my wife and I have hosted a Joseph Smith birthday party on 23 December for the past ten or fifteen years..

Only once did we actually do something related to Joseph Smith.

Noting the only substantive, albeit bewildering statements in your convoluded post.

Evidently you do to yourself what you do to all of us on a regular basis. Among other things, you actually derailed your own thread.

Well, let me continue the derail that you started, Inc.

I've been a member of the LDS Church my whole life. The only year that "Smithmas" was an issue was 2005.

In the wards I attended growing up, there was, maybe, a passing mention of Joseph Smith's birthday. But the December subject matter of Sacrament Meetings in my wards was...surprise, surprise..Christ!
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Search results on LDS.org for the name "Joseph Smith" show nearly 10,000 hits
The same for "Jesus Christ" get 18,000 hits.

So at least on the website, Jesus is talked about nearly twice as much as Joseph Smith.

HOWEVER, should we discount the number of times the phrase "...in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen." is used?
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