The Creation of Patriarchy

[_zeezrom]

Nehor,

For women to rule the world it would take some change but not necessarily what you are alluding to. You think women would act just like the men did while they've been in power over the centuries.

As an example, how many females in a position of religious power would incorporate polyandry?

[_ajax18]

You think women would act just like the men did while they've been in power over the centuries.

No they'd be worse. They wouldn't be the same but in their own way would be at least just as bad or worse. They're still human beings.

As an example, how many females in a position of religious power would incorporate polyandry?

Maybe it wouldn't be about sex, but there are lots of ways to be selfish other than sex. I've seen them and lived through it with many of them. The best quote I ever heard was by a pediatric scientist who when explaining children dummed it down for me this way, "Little boys manipulate things. Little girls manipulate people."

Even if you assume (as I do not) that the most negative of human traits are what brought humanity to this point I see no sense in praising their use now or in following them to their logical conclusions.

I'm not praising it nor calling it good or evil. It just is what it is.

[_The Nehor]

Nehor,

For women to rule the world it would take some change but not necessarily what you are alluding to. You think women would act just like the men did while they've been in power over the centuries.

For the most part, yes. Power tends to corrupt in similar ways in both genders in my experience. I don't want a world ruled by either gender. I think each gender has blind spots that cause them to screw it up if they run the world alone.

As an example, how many females in a position of religious power would incorporate polyandry?

Not many. I can imagine other things that might replace it though if women ruled.

[_just me]

Thanks for the suggestion Just Me... I've put it on my reading list! :-)

Let me know what you think of TCoP if you read it!

:-)

~td~

Will do. I have a HUGE reading list, so I can't really say when I will get to it. LOL But, it is a topic of great interest to me. Maybe I can squeeze it in this year.

I have read some books already that talk a little about the creation of patriarchal society

[_truth dancer]

Hi Ajax,

Honestly I'm not so sure that in our current world you're not better off being a woman. Be grateful, seriously.

Hmmm... what do you mean by this? Better off?

It's all just a question of power and being able to impose your will upon other people. Taking advantage of other people is how people best protect and improve their own quality of life.

Weird. Is this a reflection on yourself? How you see others? What you think it takes to get ahead in life? Do you feel this is how you improve your quality of life?

Human beings evolved polygamist just like other apes and mammals.

Actually, humans evolved to pair bond with about fifty percent of men and women having extra sex on the side.

You may hate it.

I am not a fan of oppression, degradation, elitism, and inequality.

~td~

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello,

The problem with a Matriarchy is that it can't defend itself effectively. Even if you implement a system in which Men are excluded or integrated in an ideal manner into your society you still have to deal with outside Patriarchies, which are generally aggressive and violent. They will simply impose their collective will over yours, via violent oppression. I can't envision, in this earthly reality, in which a weaker (physically) sex will impose its will over an aggressive and dominant sex.

V/R
Dr. Cam

[_The Nehor]

The problem with a Matriarchy is that it can't defend itself effectively.

And you base this conclusion on which historical matriarchy? There haven't been any. Also, I see no reason to believe that female leaders are less inclined to fight. Margaret Thatcher and the Falklands springs to mind.

Even if you implement a system in which Men are excluded or integrated in an ideal manner into your society you still have to deal with outside Patriarchies, which are generally aggressive and violent.

This still assumes the weakness of matriarchy.

They will simply impose their collective will over yours, via violent oppression. I can't envision, in this earthly reality, in which a weaker (physically) sex will impose its will over an aggressive and dominant sex.

This may have been the case in primitive societies but I can't see why a matriarchy would be weaker now that the ability to swing a sword with a lot of strength is not so critical.

[Guest]

Hello,

My statement is a very assumptive based on the historical narrative. I think women have been, again in the historical perspective, domesticated by men. Noncompliant women are simply done away with. This has created a massive shift in the nature of woman, so much so that your typical woman can't match your typical man in strength and temperment. This is the reason why a husband was called a husband, after all.

That said. I'm a fervent supporter of equal rights. Every woman has the right, in my opinion, to do what she wants to do (insert disclaimers about destructive behavior). As long as she can do a job to a commonly held standard then her gender shouldn't be used to deny her that opportunity.

V/R
Dr. Cam

[_MCB]

As an example, how many females in a position of religious power would incorporate polyandry?

Few and far between. The only notable one of record is Eliza Snow. And we will never know why she was so supportive of polygamy. Unless the assumption of bisexuality is proved.

Where children are valued, so are women. Women's subservient condition has its roots in the restrictions imposed by pregnancy, nursing, and other duties of child-rearing. Women were dependent on men when those responsibilities were the primary ones. Otherwise, women, with more long-term stamina than men, are free to hunt and raise crops.

However, men, in typical fashion, devalued all this, and decided to make those temporary conditions of dependency permanent ones. Male insecurity over fatherhood intensified this.

I think each gender has blind spots that cause them to screw it up if they run the world alone.

Very good perception. A society that forces women into a subservient and silent position is usually a violent and oppressive one.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

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