Clayton Christensen, "The Survivor"

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Daniel Peterson wrote:I'm head out the door for dinner with friends from the Olympic Peninsula in Washington, which will be followed by a Chanticleer concert.

Chanticleer? Isn't that the rooster from The Canterbury Tales??

wenglund wrote:Were you assuming that all disruptions are innovative?

I'm not assuming anything. Your words were these:

Not that I am looking to open a discussion, but the Forbes article and Clayton's web site got me to pondering whether there may have been disruptive innovations in religion.

So, would you consider, say, the innovation of killing non-Muslims to be disruptive?
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As I understand it there are three types of innovation: revolutionary, evolutionary, and disruptive, the latter being described as:

An innovation that creates a new (and unexpected) market by applying a different set of values. (E.g., the lower priced Ford Model T)


Not sure how this applies, or even it can apply to religion. Would Mormonism be a “disruptive innovation”? That would have to be in the eye of the beholder, and something subjective. Can it benefit everyone at “cheaper rates”? (The Ford Model T of religion, so to speak.) It certainly has benefited Christensen, but it can also plainly be just disruptive in many other lives. I think the term is more applicable in economics, technology and medicine.

I think Christensen is probably right that the future of medicine and health care issues will centre on self-diagnosis (we’ve already seen some examples of that on this board). Doctors can sometimes get it notoriously wrong, and perhaps a lot in this field is already intuitive (complicating this is that the same symptoms can apply to so many diseases).

The Americans look at Canada, Europe and Australia, where the government is the payer. Maybe we ought to adopt their model. And the Europeans and the Australians are saying, "You know, this isn't working very well, maybe we ought to adopt the U.S. model."


The reason the Australian model “isn’t working” is because people rush off to a doctor at the first sign of a cold (so to speak), or thinking that a blister is developing skin cancer. Better to be safe than sorry, so the system becomes overloaded (thus placing the financial burden back on tax/medicare levy payers). A doctor relative of mine once told me that the majority of his patients visit more for “psychological sustenance” and comfort than actual physical diseases that require immediate attention. Free health care is a hypochondriac’s dream. Yet, the government fails in the far more crucial area of providing free dental care, or even cheaper dental care (a toothache isn’t something imaginary). Honestly, I very rarely visit a doctor, probably because I have “fortunate genes” or just plain luck in regard to health (so far, anyway, which I suppose could run out any day, and prophecies of my imminent demise have been made). Maybe I’m playing roulette, but when I have “worrying symptoms” I adopt a wait and see approach, and in 90% of cases it turns out to be benign. Not so in Christensen’s case, since he suffered a heart attack, cancer and stroke (I note though that he waited days before acting on the symptoms of his heart attack, a sort of roulette, too).

In any case, the concept is a very interesting one (which I hadn't heard of before), simplified by Christensen here: Key Concepts - Disruptive Innovation.
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Eric wrote:You sir are a comedic genius.

That may well be true. You're not the first to notice my comedic talent. For instance, Dr. Francis J. Beckwith, of Baylor University, calls his readers' attention to "the LDS scholar Dan Peterson—a truly gifted writer with a sense of style and humor."

http://homepage.mac.com/francis.beckwith/Sects.pdf
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Thanks, Dan, for sharing that. I'm sorry we've had a falling out, but I appreciate your contributions here and elsewhere.
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You should really just start a "Friends of Peterson" thread.
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Eric wrote:You should really just start a "Friends of Peterson" thread.

Start a "Friends of Eric" thread, and I'll be happy to do likewise. I don't want to lead out on this one.
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Runtu wrote:Thanks, Dan, for sharing that. I'm sorry we've had a falling out, but I appreciate your contributions here and elsewhere.

Have I ever mentioned how entertaining I think you are? It's true.

It's almost as if you really do forget that you have a body of work. You seem to believe that the person you present yourself as in any given moment is completely unrelated to however you might have presented yourself in the past. And will again in the future. Probably even later today or early tomorrow.
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Nomad wrote:Have I ever mentioned how entertaining I think you are? It's true.


Glad I could brighten your day.

It's almost as if you really do forget that you have a body of work. You seem to believe that the person you present yourself as in any given moment is completely unrelated to however you might have presented yourself in the past. And will again in the future. Probably even later today or early tomorrow.


Yes, I quite forgot that I have a record of unrelenting hatred for all things Mormon. Thanks for reminding me.

You are entertaining, too, by the way.
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Nomad wrote:It's almost as if you really do forget that you have a body of work. You seem to believe that the person you present yourself as in any given moment is completely unrelated to however you might have presented yourself in the past. And will again in the future. Probably even later today or early tomorrow.

Is the way Runtu has presented himself in the past in any way different from the way he presents himself now?
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"

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Dr. Shades wrote:Is the way Runtu has presented himself in the past in any way different from the way he presents himself now?


I think so. I'm a lot less angry and sarcastic than I was a few years ago. I think some people have decided that the angry, sarcastic Runtu is the "real" Runtu. Doesn't bother me. I am doing my best, and it's not up to me who continues to hold a grudge.
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