If only we had the faith

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_Hades
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Re: If only we had the faith

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moksha wrote:Hey, everybody makes mistakes. Even whoppers like this. However, that does not mean that inspiration does not shine through. While failing to admit a mistake may be a continung failure in the repentance process, a man or a church can still continue seeking to do God's will.

I was taught that the church is led by God. Does God make whoppers like this? Is God unable to make his will known to man?

We apologetically say that these are the errors of men. That must mean that God is unable to make his will known to man. When man as a whole begins to see the folly of racism, then God's prophets, through pressure of society, begin to see it as well.
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Re: If only we had the faith

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Hades wrote:
moksha wrote:Hey, everybody makes mistakes. Even whoppers like this. However, that does not mean that inspiration does not shine through. While failing to admit a mistake may be a continung failure in the repentance process, a man or a church can still continue seeking to do God's will.

I was taught that the church is led by God. Does God make whoppers like this? Is God unable to make his will known to man?

We apologetically say that these are the errors of men. That must mean that God is unable to make his will known to man. When man as a whole begins to see the folly of racism, then God's prophets, through pressure of society, begin to see it as well.


I think some apologists argue that God was unwilling. In the end apologists make God into one really stupid entity.
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Re: If only we had the faith

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Themis wrote:I think some apologists argue that God was unwilling. In the end apologists make God into one really stupid entity.

Unable vs. unwilling. Unable shows a lack of power. Unwilling shows a lack of caring.
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Re: If only we had the faith

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Hades wrote:
Themis wrote:I think some apologists argue that God was unwilling. In the end apologists make God into one really stupid entity.

Unable vs. unwilling. Unable shows a lack of power. Unwilling shows a lack of caring.


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_moksha
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Re: If only we had the faith

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Hades wrote:
Themis wrote:I think some apologists argue that God was unwilling. In the end apologists make God into one really stupid entity.

Unable vs. unwilling. Unable shows a lack of power. Unwilling shows a lack of caring.


This only shows that Man fumbles.
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Re: If only we had the faith

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moksha wrote:This only shows that Man fumbles.

What it shows (yet again) is that the LDS Church is a creation of man that has always been led by men.

The quality of this leadership over time is indicated in the number of its actions, teachings and doctrine that must be repudiated, denied, or changed by the prophets, ignored by the members, and excused by the apologists.
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Re: If only we had the faith

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Do you guys think this is a sufficient repudiation? Why or why not?

http://fairwiki.org/Mormonism_and_racia ... ated_ideas
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Re: If only we had the faith

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Welcome back, Darrick.
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Re: If only we had the faith

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yes the church is fundamentally racist. we know
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Re: If only we had the faith

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Daniel Peterson wrote:Welcome back, Darrick.

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