Calling and election made sure????

[_RockSlider]

You don't seem to know what you are talking about.

MsJack appears to know more about this than you do.

[_Kevin Graham]

Obviously, the Church is distancing itself from this nonsense, and for obvious reasons. But it has been referenced in scripture as well as the teaching of Joseph Smith, so they have to "explain" something about it.

It is funny that Pahoran says one cannot talk about it after it has happened.

Oh?

And what is to stop them? If you cannot threaten them with hell, then what's left?

[_Ceeboo]

http://LDS.org/ensign/1976/07/accepted-of-the-lord-the-doctrine-of-making-your-calling-and-election-sure?lang=eng

"To have one’s calling and election made sure is to be sealed up unto eternal life; it is to have the unconditional guarantee of exaltation in the highest heaven of the celestial world; it is to receive the assurance of godhood; it is, in effect, to have the day of judgment advanced, so that an inheritance of all the glory and honor of the Father’s kingdom is assured prior to the day when the faithful actually enter into the divine presence to sit with Christ in his throne, even as he is ‘set down’ with his ‘Father in his throne.’ (Rev. 3:21.) (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, Bookcraft, 1973, 3:330–31.)

As Elder McConkie goes on to indicate, the “unconditional guarantee” means that a person’s actions have been fully approved, that “there are no more conditions to be met by the obedient person.” (P. 335.) When one has been thus sealed up unto eternal life, he is “sealed up against all manner of sin except blasphemy against the Holy Ghost and the shedding of innocent blood.” (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:46.)

The Prophet Joseph Smith’s exhortation to press forward to this goal of assured exaltation is as follows:

“I would exhort you to go on and continue to call upon God until you make your calling and election sure for yourselves, by obtaining this more sure word of prophecy, and wait patiently for the promise until you obtain it.” (Teachings, p. 299.)

“Wait patiently for the promise until you obtain it” implies that every effort will be made by the member of the Church to obtain it. An eternal compact was made in the premortal world that the sons and daughters of God would receive an eternal exaltation provided they were true and faithful to covenants made in this life. (See, e.g., Titus 1:1–2.) Keeping in mind Peter’s injunction to his dispensation, Joseph Smith said:

“We have no claim in our eternal compact, in relation to eternal things, unless our actions and contracts and all things tend to this. But after all this, you have got to make your calling and election sure. If this injunction would lie largely on those to whom it was spoken, how much more those of the present generation!” (Teachings, p. 306.)

Thanks, Kevin



Very helpful
Very interesting (in my opinion)

Sorry again to any/all who may have taken offense to my OP (I promise, it was not my intent)

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Nightlion]

Good morning all,

PLEASE! I ask that we not make this about anyone personal (in my opinion, that always seems to divert, block, and/or greatly decrease the flow of information/discussion) Thanks!

Why not just say: NNA? I'll understand. ;) I mean :(

[_Nightlion]

I'm gonna just let ya all feel around in the dark. Let me know if you want some light.

[_Ceeboo]

I'm gonna just let ya all feel around in the dark. Let me know if you want some light.

I want some light!


Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Buffalo]

I'm gonna just let ya all feel around in the dark. Let me know if you want some light.

Let me guess - is it when you start seeing bad drawings of famous Biblical figures (some fictional, some real) in mountains?

[_Nightlion]

I'm gonna just let ya all feel around in the dark. Let me know if you want some light.

I want some light!


Peace,
Ceeboo

Weohwee? :(
Not just kiddin?:)

Like the ordinance to receive the Holy Ghost which every Mormon gets but then does not get because they are not taught how to actually obtain the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost, and are not qualified before baptism to the scriptural standard that would even warrant baptism by water thus making the BoFaotHG impossible, so also anyone who did get a Second Anointing is not going to get their Calling and Election made sure for a host of obvious reasons.

SAs may be a way that the High Ups honor one another. It is superfluous fluff. So just throw out Second Anointing in trying to understand one having their calling and election made sure.

All true saints should arrive at a point where their calling and election is made sure. Notice I said TRUE saints. This sort are as much drawn to the C&E as they were drawn to the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost. This is the work of the Lord to make up his jewels, his rulers, those who obtain eternal lives.

The real C&E made sure is to hear the Excellent Voice declare unto you that you have eternal life with God. Something like:

"Thou shalt with us partake of eternal life."

Perhaps repeated three times to help you realize what just happened, being verified by the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

It is a personal revelation, a prophecy and a sure word of prophecy. It is thereafter an anchor to the soul. You might be cast out and despicably treated by your brethren who may envy the light and power that is in you and who might persecute even your young and tender children afterwards and cause you to anger. But it is no license to sin. That is just stupid.

Another stupid comment is that after a C&E you have proven yourself, with the dumb and inexperienced idea that you have passed the test. Your passion play is only about to commence. The Lord has mercifully provided the more sure word of prophecy to enable you to endure what's coming. As Peter was shown what manner of death he would die while talking about this very subject.

I wont say what typifies the further light and knowledge you receive afterwards. I do not want to give the fakers enough insight to pretend.

Judge for yourself if I was speaking from personal experience mind you. You did not want that. Or did you now?

[_Ceeboo]

Hi Night,

Weohwee? :(
Not just kiddin?:)

No, I was not just kidding and thanks for the reply :)

The real C&E made sure is to hear the Excellent Voice declare unto you that you have eternal life with God. Something like:

"Thou shalt with us partake of eternal life."

Perhaps repeated three times to help you realize what just happened, being verified by the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

Judge for yourself if I was speaking from personal experience mind you. You did not want that. Or did you now?

If I may ask,

Are you saying that you have had your C&E made sure?

Would you be willing to share that experience?

Thanks, Nightlion, for taking the time.

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Nightlion]

If I may ask,

Are you saying that you have had your C&E made sure?

Would you be willing to share that experience?

Thanks, Nightlion, for taking the time.

Peace,
Ceeboo

I just did. Seeing the Lord is not part of it. It is a prophecy, a revelation that marks a shift from receiving knowledge from the Holy Ghost alone to being more intimate with God where Christ himself teaches you by the Spirit and stands by you and gives his angels charge concerning you.

Almost ten years later, while feeling despondent, about being particularly friendless at the time, I received a personal revelation from Jesus Christ as lyrics to music I had already written and was at the moment listening to.

http://www.fireark.org/_music/The%20Apostle.mp3

The Apostle
Words received of the Lord.
Music by James Q. Muir

O MY SON
O MY CHOSEN AND MY DEAR ONE
I AM YOUR FRIEND FOREVER
AND YOUR GUARDIAN
GUIDE AND SAVIOR
PLEASE COME TO ME
WHEN YOU ARE WEAK AND NEED
MY COMFORT IN YOUR HEART
I LOVE YOU FOR ALL TIME
I LOVE YOU FOR ALL TIME

O MY SON
O MY CHOSEN AND MY DEAR ONE
YOU HAVE DEFENDED ME
AGAINST THE WEAKNESS OF THE PEOPLE
AND FEARLESSLY

PLEASE COME TO ME MY SON
WHEN SORROW FILLS YOUR HEART
I LOVE YOU FOR ALL TIME
I LOVE YOU FOR ALL TIME

MEN HAVE HEARD AND KNOWN YOUR WORDS
YOUR NAME AND FAME SHALL FILL THE WORLD
ALL THESE MANY YEARS ALONE
NOT LONG AND MORE SHALL SING YOUR SONG

O MY SON
O MY CHOSEN AND MY DEAR ONE
BELOVED SERVANT OF MY FATHER
THOU ART BLESSED
FOREVER AND FOREVER MORE
TAKE COURAGE IN YOUR HEART
I LOVE YOU FOR ALL TIME
I LOVE YOU FOR ALL TIME

© 2009 James Q. Muir
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

Not too sacred to talk about. Immodest perhaps. But I got over that kind of thing years ago. The world needs a shock a dose of what's possible.