religion based on a lie vs. 1 on what someone belives

[_Jason Bourne]

As Moshka has shown BC is in error. Honorable persons of other faiths will inherit the terrestrial kingdom according to D&C 76 and interpretations of this section by official LDS sources. But like many things BC strains and stretches things to meet his own false predilections.

[_bcspace]

As Moshka has shown BC is in error. Honorable persons of other faiths will inherit the terrestrial kingdom according to D&C 76 and interpretations of this section by official LDS sources. But like many things BC strains and stretches things to meet his own false predilections.

moksha has shown no such thing if you mean to assume that one does not have to change faiths in order to inherit the Terrestial. They may once have been Catholic or Hindu or Muslim, but will have given that up to join the LDS Church by the time they inherit the Terrestial. Or they might have been LDS all throughout their lives but not valiant in their testimony.

D&C 76 clearly defines Terrestial and Celestial inhabitants as those receiving the testimony of Jesus in this life or in the afterlife. Vs. 99-101 clearly shows members of other faiths, including believers in Jesus and the prophets as inheriting the Telestial.

Receiving the testimony of Jesus, therefore, can only mean joining Christ's one true Church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as it is called today. Notice that there are those in the afterlife who "afterwards received it". Who else in LDS theology will be authorized to teach the gospel in the afterlife besides the LDS? No one. So again, to receive the testimony of Jesus can only mean joining the LDS Church by acepting the doctrines and ordinances.

Bottom line: To inherit the Celestial or Terrestial glory, one can only be LDS by the time that happens.

[_jon]

Bottom line: To inherit the Celestial or Terrestial glory, one can only be LDS by the time that happens.


Bcspace, now let's see if you can find an example of a General Authority confirming that...

[_Buffalo]

Personally after I die and my consciousness miraculously survives the death of my brain, I plan to build an estate on Pluto. Ever since it was kicked out of the official planets club, real estate prices are WAY down.

[_Quasimodo]

Personally after I die and my consciousness miraculously survives the death of my brain, I plan to build an estate on Pluto. Ever since it was kicked out of the official planets club, real estate prices are WAY down.

I think it's a bit chilly, though.

[_Buffalo]

Personally after I die and my consciousness miraculously survives the death of my brain, I plan to build an estate on Pluto. Ever since it was kicked out of the official planets club, real estate prices are WAY down.

I think it's a bit chilly, though.

I'll be importing furnace oil from Venus. From a cost-benefits perspective it all works out.

[_Jason Bourne]

moksha has shown no such thing if you mean to assume that one does not have to change faiths in order to inherit the Terrestial. They may once have been Catholic or Hindu or Muslim, but will have given that up to join the LDS Church by the time they inherit the Terrestial. Or they might have been LDS all throughout their lives but not valiant in their testimony.

D&C 76 clearly defines Terrestial and Celestial inhabitants as those receiving the testimony of Jesus in this life or in the afterlife. Vs. 99-101 clearly shows members of other faiths, including believers in Jesus and the prophets as inheriting the Telestial.

Receiving the testimony of Jesus, therefore, can only mean joining Christ's one true Church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as it is called today. Notice that there are those in the afterlife who "afterwards received it". Who else in LDS theology will be authorized to teach the gospel in the afterlife besides the LDS? No one. So again, to receive the testimony of Jesus can only mean joining the LDS Church by acepting the doctrines and ordinances.

Bottom line: To inherit the Celestial or Terrestial glory, one can only be LDS by the time that happens.

You are twisting the scriptures BC. Nobody has ever taught this interpretation that you have. One can believe in Jesus and not be LDS in this life and the next and still inherit the terrestrial kingdom. Not even McConkie was as stringent as you on this.

[_bcspace]

You are twisting the scriptures BC. Nobody has ever taught this interpretation that you have.

Actually they have, but not in so few words. What part of D&C 76 do you disagree with?

One can believe in Jesus and not be LDS in this life and the next and still inherit the terrestrial kingdom.

Not according to D&C 76:99-101

Not even McConkie was as stringent as you on this.

Sure he was. BRM knows what teh Church means by "the Gospel" and it's preaching in order to receive the testimony of Jesus. His words (D&C Institute Manual on Section 76) and the words of the Church (GS Gospel or Topics - Gospel) on the matter are doctrine.

[_bcspace]

Bottom line: To inherit the Celestial or Terrestial glory, one can only be LDS by the time that happens.

Bcspace, now let's see if you can find an example of a General Authority confirming that...

The GA's have confirmed all scripture and doctrine by official publication. So I think the only way one could wriggle out of the clear statements in D&C 76 as jon is attempting to do is to show that when the Church speaks of "the Gospel" or "the preaching of the Gospel", it can mean that preached by someone not authorized by the Lord.

The reason this is so is because, for example, the D&C Institute manual (and other manuals) teach receiving the testimony of Jesus in terms of accepting the Gospel or the preaching of the Gospel. To wit:

D&C 76:72–74 . Do Those Who Receive the Gospel in the Spirit World Inherit the Terrestrial Kingdom?

Those who hear the gospel in mortality and do not accept it but lead otherwise honorable lives will inherit the terrestrial kingdom. Those who do not have the opportunity to hear the gospel in mortality but accept it in the spirit world can inherit the celestial kingdom.

Joseph Smith learned through another revelation that “all who have died without a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God” ( D&C 137:7 ). Those “who received not the testimony of Jesus in the flesh” ( D&C 76:74 ) are those who heard the gospel in mortality and rejected it. If they “afterwards received it” ( v. 74 ), that is, in the spirit world, they will go to the terrestrial kingdom.

Elder Bruce R. McConkie taught the foolishness of believing that a person can reject the gospel in this life, accept it in the next, and still inherit celestial glory. “This life is the time and day of our probation. After this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed.

“For those who do not have an opportunity to believe and obey the holy word in this life, the first chance to gain salvation will come in the spirit world. If those who hear the word for the first time in the realms ahead are the kind of people who would have accepted the gospel here, had the opportunity been afforded them, they will accept it there. . . .

“. . . Those who reject the gospel in this life and then receive it in the spirit world go not to the celestial, but to the terrestrial kingdom.” (“The Seven Deadly Heresies,” in Speeches of the Year, 1980 [Provo: Brigham Young University Press, 1981], pp. 77–78.)
D&C Institute Manual Section 76 The Vision of the Degrees of Glory

This gospel preaching is enough to equip one to inherit the Celestial Kingdom IF AND ONLY IF one accepts it the first time, otherwise the Terrestial. And since the Church defines the gospel as:

"all the doctrines, principles, laws, ordinances, and covenants necessary for us to be exalted in the celestial kingdom" and that it's fulness has been "restored through the Prophet Joseph Smith" Guide to the Scriptures - Gospel

It can only follow that this gospel is preached only by the LDS Church and in order to receive it (the testimony of Jesus through the preaching of the gospel, one must belong to that Church.

So yes, the Church itself confirms what I have said. Only LDS members (or the ancient equivalents) will be found in the Celestial and Terrestial Kingdoms. If you are Catholic or Hindu or Muslim or Atheist now, you will have to give those up at some point in time to inherit one of those glories.

[_Buffalo]

bcspace makes McConkie look like a "Liahona Mormon"