What is missing from the Bible...?

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Re: What is missing from the Bible...?

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bcspace wrote:
As legend has it, the Book of Mormon was necessary because the Bible had lost many 'plain and precious' things relating to the Gospel.


The Book of Mormon was necessary as another witness of Christ and to testify of the Restoration

So...

...what Gospel principle/doctrine is in the Book of Mormon but not in the Bible?


In 1 Nephi 13, the Book of Mormon does state that many plain and precious things were removed from the Bible. The Book of Mormon, or any other LDS scripture or doctrine does not claim to have replaced what is missing nor does it specify what is missing. However consider this early Christian statement:

Here Trypho [the Jew] remarked, "We ask you first of all to tell us some of the Scriptures which you allege have been completely cancelled." [Justin quotes some passages which the Jews evidently removed from Esdras and Jeremiah.] "And again, from the sayings of the same Jeremiah these have been cut out: 'The Lord God remembered His dead people of Israel who lay in the graves; and He descended to preach to them His own salvation.'"
Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho 71-72, in ANF 1:234-235.


Irenaeus also quotes directly the missing portion:

And in Jeremias He thus announces His death and descent into hell, in the words: "And the Lord the Holy One of Israel bethought Him of His dead, who in the past had slept in the dust of the earth, and went down unto them, to bring the good news of salvation, to deliver them." Here He also gives the reason for His death; for His descent into hell was salvation for the departed. Irenaeus, Proof of the Apostolic Preaching 78, translated by Joseph P. Smith (Westminster, MD: Newman Press, 1953), ACW 16:97.


It is obvious that this doctrine, the preaching of the gospel to the dead, while referred to in the New Testament, was restored by the LDS Church. Perhaps the other christians would have been less likely to miss it if Jeremiah hadn't been changed.

But no, there is no claim or list of items the the Book of Mormon has specifically restored from missing Bible passages. There are certainly doctrines not extant in the Bible that are found in the Book of Mormon and we can list some of those if you wish.

The Bible itself also makes reference to other books of scripture. And then, as per the example above, the early christians, as they fell into universal apostasy, where always debating about what should and should not be included in scripture and accusing one another (and the Jews) of sabotaging the scriptures.


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If there is any witness to Jesus being God it would have to be his spirit and that is all you would need.


Technically yes. But not all who receive a witness believe and not all seek after the Spirit until after numerous more logical witnesses.

Jesus is not God the Father by the way. They are not the same Being.
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bcspace wrote:
If there is any witness to Jesus being God it would have to be his spirit and that is all you would need.


Technically yes. But not all who receive a witness believe and not all seek after the Spirit until after numerous more logical witnesses.

Jesus is not God the Father by the way. They are not the same Being.


When one uses logic with the Hebrew Bible or Christian New Testament one will find hints that the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament was/were referred to as a Father. The writers of the New Testament believed Jesus was a father because they have him speaking about his children. The letters of John also are written to his children. God was always a father figure. Now when you enter into Joseph Smith's 1840 theology is where you find a new entity, who is separate from the God of the Old Testament and or New Testament.
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Re: What is missing from the Bible...?

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The Gospel of Judas is missing.

What is the l-dsinc leaders opinion on this recently found bit of christian writing? It has a very different story of Judas fingering Jesus so his mission would be fulfilled.

Have not heard or read of monson & co commenting on the information. Have they done so or are they waiting for Betty Eadie to have another near death experience and come back and alert them to it?
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When one uses logic with the Hebrew Bible or Christian New Testament one will find hints that the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament was/were referred to as a Father. The writers of the New Testament believed Jesus was a father because they have him speaking about his children. The letters of John also are written to his children. God was always a father figure.


Decidedly in conflict with early Christian theology which was, as is the Bible, antitrinitarian.

Now when you enter into Joseph Smith's 1840 theology is where you find a new entity, who is separate from the God of the Old Testament and or New Testament.


LDS theology is the only Biblically consistent theology in existence.

What is the l-dsinc leaders opinion on this recently found bit of christian writing?


There is no officially stated opinion of this particular work. Are there any scholars in existence who actually think it was written by Judas and not in the 2nd century?
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I think it's obvious that the Mormon Bible had to correct the "gospel". That it is of works instead of grace in the Bible.
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Why was Joseph 'inspired' to correct Luke 10:22 to read that the Father and the Son were one and the same being, when he had supposedly seen them both as separate beings in a vision?
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I think when a voice came from heaven at baptism the jews that were present said "what the heck".
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http://LDS.org/ensign/2006/10/plain-and ... d?lang=eng

There are other more detailed articles on the Book of Mormon also at LDS.org
Doing a search for the other texts, such as the D&C, PofGP, etc. will also reveal articles on things these scriptures restore, that aren't clear or don't exist in the Bible alone. I made a list once of articles on each subject. I'll see if I can find it.

UPDATE: Found the links on the subjects.....

- Modern Scripture http://library.LDS.org/nxt/gateway.dll/ ... 2.0#LPHit1

- Book of Mormon http://library.LDS.org/nxt/gateway.dll/ ... 2.0#LPHit1

- Book of Mormon Clarification http://library.LDS.org/nxt/gateway.dll/ ... 2.0#LPHit1

- The Bible http://library.LDS.org/nxt/gateway.dll/ ... 2.0#LPHit1

- Lost Truths Restored I http://library.LDS.org/nxt/gateway.dll/ ... 2.0#LPHit1

- Lost Truths Restored II http://library.LDS.org/nxt/gateway.dll/ ... 2.0#LPHit1

- Lost Truths Restored III http://library.LDS.org/nxt/gateway.dll/ ... 2.0#LPHit1

- Doctrine & Covenants http://library.LDS.org/nxt/gateway.dll/ ... 2.0#LPHit1

- Book of Moses http://library.LDS.org/nxt/gateway.dll/ ... Simple&2.0

- Book of Abraham http://library.LDS.org/nxt/gateway.dll/ ... 2.0#LPHit1

- How the Bible came to be Part 1 http://library.LDS.org/nxt/gateway.dll/ ... plates&2.0

- Part 2 http://library.LDS.org/nxt/gateway.dll/ ... plates&2.0

- Part 3 http://library.LDS.org/nxt/gateway.dll/ ... plates&2.0

- Part 4 http://library.LDS.org/nxt/gateway.dll/ ... plates&2.0

- Part 5 http://library.LDS.org/nxt/gateway.dll/ ... plates&2.0

- Part 6 http://library.LDS.org/nxt/gateway.dll/ ... plates&2.0

- Part 7 http://library.LDS.org/nxt/gateway.dll/ ... plates&2.0

- Part 8 http://library.LDS.org/nxt/gateway.dll/ ... plates&2.0
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