How is a Mormon Saved.

[_daheshism]

1) Most Mormons believe "to be saved" means to be saved from being a Servant Angel for all eternity i.e. to become a God "saves" you from becoming an eternal servant angel.

2) Most Mormons believe they are "saved" by "obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel of Jesus Christ" i.e. by doing what Church leaders tell you to do, partaking of all ordinance of the Church, getting the Melchizedek priesthood for men, being active, attending all meetings, paying tithing and offering faithfully, doing what your leaders tell you to do, until the Resurrection of the dead.

3) Mormons believe there are two levels of Salvation:
Resurrection (all men and women...because of Jesus' death on the cross)
Exlation: becoming a God or Goddess (faithful Mormons only, many Mormons will not achieve this). Most Mormons believe Exaltation comes via "obedience to the laws and ordiances" of the Mormon Church.

Older Mormons really don't think much about the blood of Jesus, or that the blood of Jesus has much at all to do with their salvation except for "resurrecting" all men and women.

Young Mormons are abit more "Jesus centered" than older Mormons, because the Church is coming around, a little bit, and very slowly, to be more Christ-centered in its teachings than it used to be.

Mormon Apologists insist that the "blood of Jesus" is essential to all levels of Salvation (including Exaltation), but, again 98% of Mormons are not taught this in Church nor Sunday School nor in General Conference talks, and most do not believe as do most Mormon apologists who spend hundreds of hours of "thinking" about such things. Most Mormons simply don't "think" about theology or "how" they are saved, etc. They simply think that "if" they remain faithful to the Church, they're going to be "saved" in the Celestial Kingdom; which means to become Gods/Goddesses for all eternity.

Note: The Book of Mormon itself teaches there is only One God, Who consists of Father (Spirit) and Son (flesh) i.e. "Jesus Christ". The Book of Mormon also teaches that "salvation" comes via being "born again" which basically takes place as Alma the Younger is "saved" in the Book of Mormon which is "being convicted of sin" having fear of an endless Hell, calling upon Jesus for salvation, and then being "born again" and having an assurance from the Spirit one is saved. The Mormon Church DOES NOT TEACH THIS, but rather that "Salvation" (exaltation) comes via "obedience to the laws and ordinances" of the One True Church.

Most Mormons believe "salvation" and "exaltation" is the very same thing, and one must be a faithful Mormon to be "exalted/saved" and one must believe that Joseph Smith was a Prophet in order to be "a good Mormon". So, yes, most believe you must accept Joseph Smith as a Prophet to be saved.

The Mormon "doctrine of salvation" is quite different from what The Book of Mormon teaches. What the Book of Mormon teaches is very, very similar to what Evangelical Christians believe; that one must only call upon the Name of the Lord Jesus, and be a true Believer, to be "saved" from an "endless Hell" via being "born again" via the Holy Spirit. That is what the Book of Mormon teaches, but the Church teaches NONE of this, but rather "salvation" is via obedience to Church leaders (i.e. the Living Prophet). The "Living Prophet" of the Church has become like the SatGurus of India; one must "follow and obey" them to be saved.

Don't know too much about Mormons, but I've been listening to this "out of Mormonism" podcast. I had a few questions.
- how is a Mormon saved?
- What does it mean to be saved, what are you saved from?
- can you be outside the Mormon church and be saved?
- can you deny Joseph Smith as a prophet and be saved?
thanks

[_bcspace]

Don't know too much about Mormons, but I've been listening to this "out of Mormonism" podcast. I had a few questions.

- how is a Mormon saved?

Through the Atonement of Christ, simply by intellectual assent, one is saved in the kingsom of heaven. And that by virtue of the fact that we all who were born on the earth kept our first estate by siding with Christ in the war in heaven (before we were born) over which plan we would follow. Heavenly Father's or Lucifer's.

- What does it mean to be saved, what are you saved from?

To be saved means to escape the judgment of God and to live forever (saved from sin and death). It does not necessarily mean eternal life (life with God as Gods).

- can you be outside the Mormon church and be saved?

Yes. But you would be saved in the lowest degree of glory, possibly after a stint in hell.

can you deny Joseph Smith as a prophet and be saved?

Yes. But you would be saved in the lowest degree of glory, possibly after a stint in hell.

However, having said all that, it is likely that to be saved in a sense similar to how you think of being saved, one must indeed accept Joseph Smith as a prophet and one must become LDS.

For us, we are saved by no merit of our own, we all inherit the kingdom of heaven unless we don't want to. But our degree of salvation is entirely dependent on what we do and believe. All nonMormons are relegated to the Telestial glory, the lowest degree along with the unrepentant wicked. In either case, none has really increased their talent.

LDS who are not valiant in the testimony of Jesus (which only an LDS person can have) receive a moderate degree (Terrestial) of glory. LDS who are valiant receive the highest degree (Celestial) of glory and those that are married and sealed for time and all eternity will receive eternal life (life with God as Gods); the highest degree of Celestial glory.

So while technically one is saved if they inherit any degree of salvation, we certainly speak, in order to be equivalent, of requirements for salvation because by salvation we typically mean the highest degree as that is the goal. One must be married, water baptised, good with money, do good works, belong to the true Church (the LDS Church) etc. etc. in order to be saved in that case. All those requirements and more are given in the Bible.

[_Buffalo]

- how is a Mormon saved?

The usual way.

[_Buffalo]

Yes. But you would be saved in the lowest degree of glory, possibly after a stint in hell.

However, having said all that, it is likely that to be saved in a sense similar to how you think of being saved, one must indeed accept Joseph Smith as a prophet and one must become LDS.

After having accepted Joseph Christ as his personal savior, bcspace is good to go!

[_jon]

Mormons are 'saved' by having a temple marriage.

Once you have the certificate you can pretty much sin your ass off (no shedding innocent blood mind) and still be guaranteed the penthouse of Mormon exaltation.
See D&C 132 for scriptural back up...