DCP's interviews on Mormonstories

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Patriarchal gripe wrote:About 33 minutes into the last segment he describes those he counciled with in his ward as mentally ill, chronic liars, hypochondriacs, etc.


A few, to be sure. Not all, or even a majority. You're virtually saying that
DCP thought his whole ward was filled with "mentally ill, chronic liars, hypochondriacs, etc." That would lead me to believe that you suffer from selective hearing. Or "itching ears".
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LDS truthseeker wrote:One more question, what is your current avatar from?



Dr Peterson's avatar is Ward Cleaver from the the sitcom Leave it to Beaver. I think a better avatar would be the Robert Young character in Father Knows Best.
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Fence Sitter wrote:
LDS truthseeker wrote:One more question, what is your current avatar from?



Dr Peterson's avatar is Ward Cleaver from the the sitcom Leave it to Beaver. I think a better avatar would be the Robert Young character in Father Knows Best.


Thanks, it was familar but I couldn't place it.
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I also listened to the podcasts of Dr. Peterson's interview as soon as it had come to my attention.

I think Dan acquitted himself well, and proved that he does come across much better "in person" than he sometimes does on message boards.

He is a reasonable and intelligent man with a testimony, is what I came away with. Also personable.

I also appreciated Dan's nod to "bad behavior" from some unnamed Mormon apologists (*ahem* Will Schryver *ahem*) and how even though he did not condone their conduct, he felt constrained from coming out publicly and saying so because of the weight attached to his name and opinions.

I can understand that. In fact, I intuited as much in a post on this board prior to my hearing the interview.

I spoke by phone a couple of days ago to an acquaintance of DCP, who advised me that Dan is much more vociferous in his distaste for "some unnamed Mormon apologists" off the record than on.

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P.S. And what is the deal with Pahoran? It's like he is always spoiling for a fight even when you agree with him.
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consiglieri wrote:P.S. And what is the deal with Pahoran? It's like he is always spoiling for a fight even when you agree with him.


He has rage issues. Even worse than me!
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consiglieri wrote:I think Dan acquitted himself well, and proved that he does come across much better "in person" than he sometimes does on message boards.

[SNIP!]


I also appreciated Dan's nod to "bad behavior" from some unnamed Mormon apologists (*ahem* Will Schryver *ahem*) and how even though he did not condone their conduct, he felt constrained from coming out publicly and saying so because of the weight attached to his name and opinions.

I can understand that. In fact, I intuited as much in a post on this board prior to my hearing the interview.

I spoke by phone a couple of days ago to an acquaintance of DCP, who advised me that Dan is much more vociferous in his distaste for "some unnamed Mormon apologists" off the record than on.


I finished listening to the podcasts last night, and I largely agree with you, Consig. I've heard from multiple sources that DCP feels "distaste for 'some unnamed Mormon apologists'", though I'm not entirely sure whether this has to do strictly with personal dislike/offense--at least as far as Will Schryver is concerned. Based on something else I was told, I have reason to believe that part of this "distaste" may have to do with whoever it is that has been supporting Schryver all along. From what I can gather, this is someone that DCP would be foolish to cross.

Apart from all that, I too would like to join in the applause for the podcasts. As enjoyable as they were, they haven't really changed my opinion of Dr. Peterson in the slightest. I've always felt that he was basically a decent and likable guy whose been driven to act in horrendous and evil ways by Mopologetics. It was intriguing--perhaps ironic--that he told that anecdote about Adolf Eichmann and the "banality of evil." Though DCP's bad deeds are clearly nowhere near the level of Eichmann's, I think the basic analogy holds up: this is an otherwise good person whose bad side is drawn out thanks to a certain set of circumstances--in this case, an almost obsessive and revenge-driven need to defend the Church. (In light of this Eichmann business, I found it somewhat disturbing that DCP, Hamblin, Pahoran, et al. have been saying "Heil Mitchell!" over and over again on MDD.)

In listening to Dan discuss antiquity, and issues related to the Middle East, you can really hear someone in his element. How much better off would the world be if Dr. Peterson were to totally abandon polemical Mopologetics in favor of strictly Middle Eastern-related work? Or even if he just dropped the defensive, "attack dog" element of his Mormon publications? Is there some worry that the Pahorans, LoaPs, and stemelbows will lose their testimonies if he suddenly decides to quit acting like a condescending jerk?

Regardless, the podcasts were a real triumph. Kudos to all the parties involved.
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I think Dan acquitted himself well, and proved that he does come across much better "in person" than he sometimes does on message boards.



pep pep...considering how many people come off here...I hope this is true of far more than DCP.

Although to DCP's credit the way he comes off on message boards to me is actually quite pleasant particularly compared to many posters here. Afterall he never told me That I make it excrutiating for him to be LDS, as if he's embarrassed of me for doing nothing. (-;
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Doctor Scratch wrote:I finished listening to the podcasts last night, and I largely agree with you, Consig. I've heard from multiple sources that DCP feels "distaste for 'some unnamed Mormon apologists'", though I'm not entirely sure whether this has to do strictly with personal dislike/offense--at least as far as Will Schryver is concerned. Based on something else I was told, I have reason to believe that part of this "distaste" may have to do with whoever it is that has been supporting Schryver all along. From what I can gather, this is someone that DCP would be foolish to cross.

Apart from all that, I too would like to join in the applause for the podcasts. As enjoyable as they were, they haven't really changed my opinion of Dr. Peterson in the slightest. I've always felt that he was basically a decent and likable guy whose been driven to act in horrendous and evil ways by Mopologetics. It was intriguing--perhaps ironic--that he told that anecdote about Adolf Eichmann and the "banality of evil." Though DCP's bad deeds are clearly nowhere near the level of Eichmann's, I think the basic analogy holds up: this is an otherwise good person whose bad side is drawn out thanks to a certain set of circumstances--in this case, an almost obsessive and revenge-driven need to defend the Church. (In light of this Eichmann business, I found it somewhat disturbing that DCP, Hamblin, Pahoran, et al. have been saying "Heil Mitchell!" over and over again on MDD.)

In listening to Dan discuss antiquity, and issues related to the Middle East, you can really hear someone in his element. How much better off would the world be if Dr. Peterson were to totally abandon polemical Mopologetics in favor of strictly Middle Eastern-related work? Or even if he just dropped the defensive, "attack dog" element of his Mormon publications? Is there some worry that the Pahorans, LoaPs, and stemelbows will lose their testimonies if he suddenly decides to quit acting like a condescending jerk?

Regardless, the podcasts were a real triumph. Kudos to all the parties involved.


Why don't we solicit that Mormon stories podcaster, Dehlin, to interview you Scratch so the LDS can also see you aren't as pedantic, trivial, and mean-spirited as you like to protray yourself? For some reason this calling you've given yourself of attacking LDS folks has made you resort to some pretty ugly and evil behavior. Perhaps you can quit acting like a condescending jerk too?
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This podcast, where DCP talks about Islam, is also pretty good:

http://mormonchannel.org/programs/insig ... 1?lang=eng
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stemelbow wrote:Why don't we solicit that Mormon stories podcaster, Dehlin, to interview you Scratch


I'm glad to have Dehlin interview me. Actually, John Larsen asked me to appear on "Mormon Expression" some time ago, and I'd still very much like to do it, provided that I can find the time and the means.
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