Somehow I expected more

[_Buffalo]

And what exactly have our leaders told us during this last GC that will be helpful, that will guide us through this time of turmoil, that will sustain us in our hour of need? I don't recall anything, but then... I didn't hear every single word.

The Gospel and conservatism go hand in hand. Conservatism is the only thing temporal thing that willl help us through the turmoil. So preaching the Gospel is exactly what we needed to hear.

I believe this message serves both our interests - for you, it helps get the intellectuals out of the church. For me, it helps get the intellectuals out of the church. Win-win!

[_Fifth Columnist]

Funny, yes. Not helpful advice, though, when people are losing their homes, standing in the food bank line, living out of their cars...

I find it funny that Book of Mormon prophets can ask God about the enemy's troop movements, but our living prophets don't seem to ask about anything. If they really have the answers to the most vexing questions of our time, then why don't they tell us how to get out of the current economic malaise?

If you want to know what we need to do to get the economy going again, this explains it all.
http://www.nationalaffairs.com/publicat ... ng-the-fed

[_moksha]

The Gospel and conservatism go hand in hand. Conservatism is the only thing temporal thing that willl help us through the turmoil. So preaching the Gospel is exactly what we needed to hear.

Perhaps this hearing would be aided if all of us wore brown shirts and took up marching.

[_sock puppet]

Funny, yes. Not helpful advice, though, when people are losing their homes, standing in the food bank line, living out of their cars...

I find it funny that Book of Mormon prophets can ask God about the enemy's troop movements, but our living prophets don't seem to ask about anything. If they really have the answers to the most vexing questions of our time, then why don't they tell us how to get out of the current economic malaise?

Good point, 5th. I wonder why Generals Eisenhower and MacArthur did not consult Heber J Grant (and at the tail end, George Albert Smith) about Nazi, Italian and Japanese troop movements during WWII.

Or did they?

[_Tchild]

The world-wide economy is in the toilet. The war drags on. The environment is still polluted. Dark times now and ahead for several more years.

And what exactly have our leaders told us during this last GC that will be helpful, that will guide us through this time of turmoil, that will sustain us in our hour of need? I don't recall anything, but then... I didn't hear every single word.

What can they say? They do not know. They do not know the future and there is no external diety whispering or revealing anything for them to pass on to the members.

We are all in the dark equally.

What the LDS church does and will accomplish, is to potentially offer a community cohesion should there be a major crisis or societal breakdown of some sort. Mormonism and its beliefs/values is a social mechanism that transmits those values through the generations. It doesn't matter whether we agree or disagree with its beliefs, at least it doesn't to me. I think what matters and what is important for many, is that certain values of human conduct are being retained and preserved via the mechanism of religion and its hierarchial structures. Mormonism and its members are transmiting the last vestiges of our past agrarian traits of hard work, self reliance and community. We may very well need that for the transition that is surely to come.

I don't believe that the LDS church is "true" in any sort of objective sense, but its members are struggling to retain a certain human decency and conduct that the world seems to be losing.

[_harmony]

Mormonism and its members are transmiting the last vestiges of our past agrarian traits of hard work, self reliance and community. We may very well need that for the transition that is surely to come.

I don't believe that the LDS church is "true" in any sort of objective sense, but its members are struggling to retain a certain human decency and conduct that the world seems to be losing.

I live in a rural area, where literally everyone exhibits those "agrarian" traits of hard work, etc. Human decency isn't confined to members of the LDS church... at least, not here.

[_Chap]

Good point, 5th. I wonder why Generals Eisenhower and MacArthur did not consult Heber J Grant (and at the tail end, George Albert Smith) about Nazi, Italian and Japanese troop movements during WWII.

Or did they?

Actually, the Allies in WWII got a lot more useful information out of the code-breaking work of a British homosexual called Alan Turing than they did out of the prophet of the CoJCoLDS, or indeed out of any other religious leader.



In 1954 he committed suicide, almost certainly as a result of the legal persecution of homosexuals. In 2009 the government of his native land, speaking through its Prime Minister, finally got round to apologizing:

Thousands of people have come together to demand justice for Alan Turing and recognition of the appalling way he was treated. While Turing was dealt with under the law of the time and we can't put the clock back, his treatment was of course utterly unfair and I am pleased to have the chance to say how deeply sorry I and we all are for what happened to him ... So on behalf of the British government, and all those who live freely thanks to Alan's work I am very proud to say: we're sorry, you deserved so much better.

Never mind. He's probably a Mormon now, and married to a woman in the afterlife ...

[_UnicornMan]

There was a talk about how great the Church is, how "the sun never sets on the Kingdom of God" and a lot of talk about growth in temples. I didn't feel jealous at all of all the construction happening while people are suffering financially. The Church has a wonderful business model -- money, which if not paid, hurts salvation, and then an army of free labor to do the majority of its work! It is recession proof.

[_UnicornMan]

There was a talk about how great the Church is, how "the sun never sets on the Kingdom of God" and a lot of talk about growth in temples. I didn't feel jealous at all of all the construction happening while people are suffering financially. The Church has a wonderful business model -- money, which if not paid, hurts salvation, and then an army of free labor to do the majority of its work! It is recession proof.

[_subgenius]

Another non substantive ad hom, homophobic, attacking post from the lightweight subgenius.
Don't posters get a 'time out' ban for something akin to this?

my post was as relevant and as substantive to the thread as Chap's - even with the same cause, do you propose a "time-out" for Chap as well? or is that condemnation only for those whose opinion you find differs from your own?