Hades wrote:If Mormons really have this divine gift, the Holy Ghost. Why don't they use it to help humanity? They could cure cancer.
This is a point that I struggle with.
If the Holy Ghost is capable of helping people find things like their car keys then why can't he prevent child abuse? When people recount stories of how He helped them avoid a certain road which meant they were on time for Church etc I ask them if "that why He was too busy to save all those people who died in the tsunami's or the earthquakes?"
It irritates me (unreasonably?) that Mormon's in particular assign divine intervention to seemingly trivual things. It strikes me as self obsessed and arrogant - this isn't a well thought out point of view, it's just my natural instinctive reflex.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Hades wrote:Emotion is just emotion, until you attach "the church is true" to it, then it becomes spiritual.
Nah. A better analogy is that a pack of pit bulls is just a pack of pit bulls till you attach a message board to it. Then it becomes Mormon Dialogue and Discussion.
Hades wrote:Emotion is just emotion, until you attach "the church is true" to it, then it becomes spiritual.
Nah. A better analogy is that a pack of pit bulls is just a pack of pit bulls till you attach a message board to it. Then it becomes Mormon Dialogue and Discussion.
Hope that helps.
That makes me think, "The church is true." It's spiritual.
Really, there is a flaw in how most people think in that their is a mind/body duality, when there is not. Anything you may consider a spiritual experience is an emotional experience. There is nothing to indicate that "spirit" interacts with human consciousness, at all.
Every state of mind is an emotional state. Sure, there are more obvious, well-defined emotions, but no one feels any one emotion at a time. Even when doing mathematics, you are going through an emotional process.
emilysmith wrote:Really, there is a flaw in how most people think in that their is a mind/body duality, when there is not.
You don't know this. You believe it. But you can't know it. I believe it is not true. My life experience is that I am a dual being, a spirit and a body.
emilysmith wrote:Really, there is a flaw in how most people think in that their is a mind/body duality, when there is not.
You don't know this. You believe it. But you can't know it. I believe it is not true. My life experience is that I am a dual being, a spirit and a body.
There is absolutely zero evidence of the existence of spirits or souls. Ergo, it's irrational to believe in them.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Mattie wrote:You don't know this. You believe it. But you can't know it. I believe it is not true. My life experience is that I am a dual being, a spirit and a body.
I actually know it, in the strongest sense of the word. If you change someones brain, you change their thoughts. In other words, by destroying the body, you destroy the mind. They are the same thing. Sorry to break it to you, but when your eyes die, your soul doesn't see. When your ears die, there is no way for your soul to hear.
Without the part of your brain that helps you navigate a room, you stumble over obstacles. How would your spirit navigate without such an important piece of brain? How would it feel? How would it think?
Well, we all know the answer... it wouldn't do any of those things because it wouldn't have anything to do it with.
subgenius wrote: I don't see how one can confuse "emotion" with spirituality. I think your thread title is flawed.
Subgenius,
In light of what President Eyring said during this years Christmas devotional do you wish to retract this. Or are you happy enough to be completely at odds with the First Presidency on this subject?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
subgenius wrote: I don't see how one can confuse "emotion" with spirituality. I think your thread title is flawed.
Subgenius,
In light of what President Eyring said during this years Christmas devotional do you wish to retract this. Or are you happy enough to be completely at odds with the First Presidency on this subject?
I did not view it. Is there a link to the article yet?