The seed of Cain

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Hasa Diga Eebowai wrote:BC space can you kindly confirm that the reasons given above as found in the reference that you gave are in fact doctrine.

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Something that is still doctrine (it is in a current Priesthood teaching manual) is that interracial marriage is 'not recommended'. This message is taught to all 12-18 year old young men.
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BC space can you kindly confirm that the reasons given above as found in the reference that you gave are in fact doctrine.


Church publication is the standard for doctrine.

Why did Gordon B. Hinckley have so much difficulty explaining these concepts to the world then?


I think the difficulty is not in explaining them but in whether or not to cast pearls before swine. The policy is no longer in effect and therefore questions that might cause a stumbling bock for some ought to be deflected.
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bcspace wrote:
BC space can you kindly confirm that the reasons given above as found in the reference that you gave are in fact doctrine.


Church publication is the standard for doctrine.

Why did Gordon B. Hinckley have so much difficulty explaining these concepts to the world then?


I think the difficulty is not in explaining them but in whether or not to cast pearls before swine. The policy is no longer in effect and therefore questions that might cause a stumbling bock for some ought to be deflected.


Actually he said he didn't know why the ban was introduced.
Was he lying?
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Actually he said he didn't know why the ban was introduced.
Was he lying?


Doesn't appear that he ever said he didn't know why the ban was introduced. He did say he didn't know why things were different then as that was the question. So no, I don't think he was lying.
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"HN: Until 1978 no person of color attained the priesthood in your church. Why did it take so long to overcome the racism?

"GBH: I don't know. I don't know. I can only say that. (long pause) But it's here now. We're carrying on a very substantial work in Africa for instance and in Brazil. We're working among their people developing them. We've had them among the leadership of the Church and they're able to do a great work and we love them and appreciate them and we respect them and we are trying to help them." (Gordon B. Hinckley Interview, ZDF German Television, Salt Lake City, Utah, January 29, 2002, Conducted by Helmut Nemetschek)
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The First Presidency Statement on the Negro Question August 17, 1949
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And when all the rest of the children have received their blessings in the holy priesthood, then that curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will then come up and possess the priesthood, and receive all the blessings which we now are entitled to."

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I guess all of the rest of the children received their blessing in 1978? But people are still having children, so which "rest"............ wait, what? I am confused.

bcspace wrote:Church publication is the standard for doctrine.

So does this mean in an earlier thread where I posted a bunch of links to church manuals including a global flood acting as a baptism for the Earth, that I can then say that a Global, Universal flood is indeed doctrinal as it is included in numerous church published manuals?
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"HN: Until 1978 no person of color attained the priesthood in your church. Why did it take so long to overcome the racism?

"GBH: I don't know. I don't know. I can only say that. (long pause) But it's here now. We're carrying on a very substantial work in Africa for instance and in Brazil. We're working among their people developing them. We've had them among the leadership of the Church and they're able to do a great work and we love them and appreciate them and we respect them and we are trying to help them." (Gordon B. Hinckley Interview, ZDF German Television, Salt Lake City, Utah, January 29, 2002, Conducted by Helmut Nemetschek)


Still doesn't match your question.
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Church publication is the standard for doctrine.
So does this mean in an earlier thread where I posted a bunch of links to church manuals including a global flood acting as a baptism for the Earth, that I can then say that a Global, Universal flood is indeed doctrinal as it is included in numerous church published manuals?


Yes. A global flood and the baptism of the earth is published by the Church in it's own manuals. It is official doctrine as long as there is nothing of later date to change it and I'm quite certain such does not exist.

I personally accept a local Flood since I accept direct scientific evidence that there has been no global flood in the time period specified. I don't believe a local flood in the face of doctrine is catastrophic to the Church. There is no direct revelation on the subject, just tradition passed down. So I don't believe it's unreasonable for the Church to stick with traditional Christianity on this one until there is further revelation.
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