Mitt's Mormon Problem Explained

[_Droopy]

So....what's the problem? There is no evidence that Mitt was or is racist (nor the Church for that matter). I even daresay BY wasn't a racist for his time and to consider him so is presentism.

The video is incorrect about there having being no doctrine or scripture on the subject. Black skin wasn't the issue. The issue was descent and black skin, for better or worse, was used to determine descent. The scripture is Abraham 1 which is what the Church tried to adhere to. So the problem for Romney could be the incorrect presentation of this issue and not the issue itself. If I were Romney, I might begin by pointing out Utah's essentially having driven out the KKK back in the day.

Less than 10% of blacks traditionally vote Republican anyway though I believe even Romney (or whoever) could change that if he and the GOP targeted them directly and consistently in the campaign instead of writing them off.

I would have to say, bc, that it is not Mitt Romney, or the Republicans per se (without whom there would have been no Civil Rights Act of 1964 at all at that time) who have a race problem. The big, hairy 800lb Gorilla in the contemporary political room is precisely that Affirmative Action, racial set-asides, racial discrimination in college admissions, Afrocentrism, multiculturalism, the encouragement of the abandonment of citizenship and clear thinking in favor of racial solidarity, the glorification and promotion of the welfare underclass/gangsta/Hip Hop culture, and "ebonics" are the albatrosses hung almost solely around the necks of the Left and its institutional political manifestation, the Democratic party.

The Republicans have Mitt Romney. The Democrats have Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, "Mad" Maxine Waters, John Conyers, Major Owens, and people like Cornell West in their wing of the Great and Spacious Building.

The differences couldn't, in my view, be starker.

[_Buffalo]

So....what's the problem? There is no evidence that Mitt was or is racist (nor the Church for that matter). I even daresay BY wasn't a racist for his time and to consider him so is presentism.

The video is incorrect about there having being no doctrine or scripture on the subject. Black skin wasn't the issue. The issue was descent and black skin, for better or worse, was used to determine descent. The scripture is Abraham 1 which is what the Church tried to adhere to. So the problem for Romney could be the incorrect presentation of this issue and not the issue itself. If I were Romney, I might begin by pointing out Utah's essentially having driven out the KKK back in the day.

Less than 10% of blacks traditionally vote Republican anyway though I believe even Romney (or whoever) could change that if he and the GOP targeted them directly and consistently in the campaign instead of writing them off.

I would have to say, bc, that it is not Mitt Romney, or the Republicans per se (without whom there would have been no Civil Rights Act of 1964 at all at that time) who have a race problem. The big, hairy 800lb Gorilla in the contemporary political room is precisely that Affirmative Action, racial set-asides, racial discrimination in college admissions, Afrocentrism, multiculturalism, the encouragement of the abandonment of citizenship and clear thinking in favor of racial solidarity, the glorification and promotion of the welfare underclass/gangsta/Hip Hop culture, and "ebonics" are the albatrosses hung almost solely around the necks of the Left and its institutional political manifestation, the Democratic party.

The Republicans have Mitt Romney. The Democrats have Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, "Mad" Maxine Waters, John Conyers, Major Owens, and people like Cornell West in their wing of the Great and Spacious Building.

The differences couldn't, in my view, be starker.

You heard it here first. Droopy hates black people.

[_Droopy]

I would have to say, bc, that it is not Mitt Romney, or the Republicans per se (without whom there would have been no Civil Rights Act of 1964 at all at that time) who have a race problem. The big, hairy 800lb Gorilla in the contemporary political room is precisely that Affirmative Action, racial set-asides, racial discrimination in college admissions, Afrocentrism, multiculturalism, the encouragement of the abandonment of citizenship and clear thinking in favor of racial solidarity, the glorification and promotion of the welfare underclass/gangsta/Hip Hop culture, and "ebonics" are the albatrosses hung almost solely around the necks of the Left and its institutional political manifestation, the Democratic party.

The Republicans have Mitt Romney. The Democrats have Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, "Mad" Maxine Waters, John Conyers, Major Owens, and people like Cornell West in their wing of the Great and Spacious Building.

The differences couldn't, in my view, be starker.

Bluffalo:

You heard it here first. Droopy hates black people.

Its difficult to determine, at this point, whether Bluff is more like Scratch or more like Kevin Graham. Few even here combine intellectual vacuity with intellectual dishonesty to such an acute extent.

[_Buffalo]

Its difficult to determine, at this point, whether Bluff is more like Scratch or more like Kevin Graham. Few even here combine intellectual vacuity with intellectual dishonesty to such an acute extent.

I'm just messing with you, Droopy. :)

[_Drifting]

I'm looking for a passage or a revelation that said the priesthood should be denied to all people of African descent.

Kimball got his Apostles to look for an answer to this very question.
They found nothing, the revelation was reversed.

[_moksha]

I might begin by pointing out Utah's essentially having driven out the KKK back in the day.

This was more about turf than enlightenment.

[_harmony]

I might begin by pointing out Utah's essentially having driven out the KKK back in the day.

This was more about turf than enlightenment.

What ya wonder what the KKK owned that the church wanted? (not that I support any aspect of the KKK movement, so don't get sidetracked)

[_moksha]

What ya wonder what the KKK owned that the church wanted? (not that I support any aspect of the KKK movement, so don't get sidetracked)

The Church realized that hoards of marauding cross burners dressed in bedsheets would present a greater problem than thousands of Moose Lodge members dressed in bowling shoes.

The Klan was not welcome in Utah.

[_subgenius]

I know what verses were used to justify racist actions (all of them improperly used).

I'm looking for a passage or a revelation that said the priesthood should be denied to all people of African descent.

obviously you are not paying attention

[_ldsfaqs]

Well.... Unlike others here, I was actually in the Church prior to the ban being lifted and remember the actual facts.
It ALWAYS taught against racism, bigotry and intolerance.
If we were really bigots, we would have had ministry's against other religions or groups.

Despite the ban, Mormons were always highly tolerant of others.

The ban existed because of the racism in the world, not the Church.
While some in the Church weren't perfect, some made mistakes, and some were likely racist or at minimum ethno-centrist, Mormonism itself and the vast majority of it's people were ALWAYS strongly against racism.

That is the actual truth of history, contrary to anti-mormon cherry-picking of history.

The author and creator of the book and movie ROOTS wouldn't have went to the Church pre-lifting of the ban, and received an award from the Church, if the Church and it's people were actually racist.
JFK wouldn't have highly respected the Church pre-ban, if the Church was actually racist. On and on.... ACTUAL HISTORY tells a different story about the Church you idiots!