Christ says - Being Mormon is not essential for eternal life

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Re: Christ says - Being Mormon is not essential for eternal

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and if the gentiles loved God and their fellow human beings like the Samaritan, then they too would be Heaven bound.


Only if they also loved God. The parable merely defines who is your neighbor.
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bcspace wrote:
and if the gentiles loved God and their fellow human beings like the Samaritan, then they too would be Heaven bound.


Only if they also loved God. The parable merely defines who is your neighbor.



Interestingly, the actual wording is 'love thy God'.
That's either Christ acknowledging that it's okay to worship different God's or, more likely, that differing religious sects have equal claim and status on following the one true God.
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Drifting wrote:
Interestingly, the actual wording is 'love thy God'.
That's either Christ acknowledging that it's okay to worship different God's or, more likely, that differing religious sects have equal claim and status on following the one true God.



Key insight!

Yes, we are to love 'the God' that has been revealed to us. This is the meaning of Elohenu - 'your God'. For none of us can know God completely. We can only know what has been revealed to us, and it is this we are admonished to love.

This points to the first commandment, that we are to have no other Gods before the one that brought us to freedom. If we have not found freedom - freedom from a certain sin, or circumstance, ultimately freedom from bondage to a world of lies - then we do not yet have a God to call our God and so cannot yet obey this commandment. In fact, I offer that if God has not revealed any of Godself to us, the Bible does not apply to us!
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subgenius wrote:...
what does it mean to, or rather, how does one
love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind?

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subgenius wrote:
subgenius wrote:...
what does it mean to, or rather, how does one
love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind?

BUMPED, because Drifting is obviously waxing hypocrisy


I haven't responded because I really don't know.

Why don't you enlighten the board with your theory on it?
You've got a theory on it, right?
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Drifting wrote:Interestingly, the actual wording is 'love thy God'.
That's either Christ acknowledging that it's okay to worship different God's or, more likely, that differing religious sects have equal claim and status on following the one true God.

reference exodus 20:2
"I am the Lord thy God"

Now, ignore my previous "bump", because clearly you have gone off the deep end.
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Drifting wrote:
I haven't responded because I really don't know.

Why don't you enlighten the board with your theory on it?
You've got a theory on it, right?


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subgenius wrote:
Drifting wrote:Interestingly, the actual wording is 'love thy God'.
That's either Christ acknowledging that it's okay to worship different God's or, more likely, that differing religious sects have equal claim and status on following the one true God.

reference exodus 20:2
"I am the Lord thy God"

Now, ignore my previous "bump", because clearly you have gone off the deep end.


Consider you....err...I mean your 'bump'....ignored....

Now forgive me, but if I recall correctly, in Exodus the comment 'I am the Lord thy God' is a statement specifically said directly to one religious group, as opposed to a teaching parable for the benefit of and specifically including, a variety of differing religious groups.

And the point of the thread (which you seem to be missing) is to discuss wether people think the parable of the Good Samaritan is an example where Jesus specifically teaches us that eternal life can be gained regardless of your chosen religious sect.

I happen to think it does.
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Drifting wrote:
Consider you....err...I mean your 'bump'....ignored....

you mean, still ignored

Now forgive me, but if I recall correctly, in Exodus the comment 'I am the Lord thy God' is a statement specifically said directly to one religious group, as opposed to a teaching parable for the benefit of and specifically including, a variety of differing religious groups.

the exodus reference was to highlight the obvious grammar error you were making.

And the point of the thread (which you seem to be missing) is to discuss wether people think the parable of the Good Samaritan is an example where Jesus specifically teaches us that eternal life can be gained regardless of your chosen religious sect.

I happen to think it does.

and i think it does not...which is why i intentionally asked you the question you continue to dodge and otherwise ignore.

"how does one
love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind?"

the key to why other "sects" are incapable is found in the answer to this question. We see that Christ has stated, clearly, that this is a requirement.
You would propose that Christ would have spoken as follows:
"love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind...as thou see fit"
In other words you would put the determination of what is "all" upon man rather than God. For that, i disagree with you position.
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subgenius wrote:["how does one
love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind?"



As I have already said, I don't know.

Perhaps you can enlighten us.
Can you only 'love the Lord thy God...etc' if you are a Mormon?
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