Creation

[_Albion]

Did gdemetz actually describe the temple ritual as "cartoon like"?

[_Buffalo]

Tony, I would recommend that you don't take what is shown in the temple literally, and I wish I could go into more details as to why I am stating that, but it is forbidden. The creation went something like this. All things have celestial progenitors which produce naturally spirit offspring. So, initially spirit worlds were created for these offspring. When it came to produce physical worlds, which our spirits took part in creating, and populating them with plants, animals, and man, it went something like this. Celestial plants were placed upon an earth, and with drawing nourishment from the terrestrial world, they produced terrestrial plants (as opposed to spirit plants). Celestial animals went to the world and took nourishment from the terrestrial plants and produced terrestrial animals(as opposed to spirit animals). Christ headed all the creative operations under the direction of His Heavenly Father. However, when it came time to place man physically upon a world, then Heavenly Father was directly involved. He would bring one of His wives and they would partake of the fruit of that world until Their bodies were charged with it, and then the Heavenly Mother would give birth to a terrestrial man or woman (as opposed to a spirit man or woman). And, like all other life forms, the corresponding and appropriate spirit would enter the man or woman at the appointed time, just as the intelligences would enter Heavenly Mother at the appointed time prior to the spirit birth.

What you're describing is Adam-God doctrine.

[_bcspace]

Tony, I would recommend that you don't take what is shown in the temple literally

The doctrine already is that the rib story is figurative. It is not unreasonable to suppose there is more that is figurative.

The creation went something like this. All things have celestial progenitors which produce naturally spirit offspring. So, initially spirit worlds were created for these offspring. When it came to produce physical worlds, which our spirits took part in creating, and populating them with plants, animals, and man, it went something like this. Celestial plants were placed upon an earth, and with drawing nourishment from the terrestrial world, they produced terrestrial plants (as opposed to spirit plants). Celestial animals went to the world and took nourishment from the terrestrial plants and produced terrestrial animals(as opposed to spirit animals). Christ headed all the creative operations under the direction of His Heavenly Father. However, when it came time to place man physically upon a world, then Heavenly Father was directly involved. He would bring one of His wives and they would partake of the fruit of that world until Their bodies were charged with it, and then the Heavenly Mother would give birth to a terrestrial man or woman (as opposed to a spirit man or woman). And, like all other life forms, the corresponding and appropriate spirit would enter the man or woman at the appointed time, just as the intelligences would enter Heavenly Mother at the appointed time prior to the spirit birth.

BY's Adam Sr/Jr hypothesis. Not doctrine.

[_son of Ishmael]

Tony, I would recommend that you don't take what is shown in the temple literally

The doctrine already is that the rib story is figurative. It is not unreasonable to suppose there is more that is figurative.

The creation went something like this. All things have celestial progenitors which produce naturally spirit offspring. So, initially spirit worlds were created for these offspring. When it came to produce physical worlds, which our spirits took part in creating, and populating them with plants, animals, and man, it went something like this. Celestial plants were placed upon an earth, and with drawing nourishment from the terrestrial world, they produced terrestrial plants (as opposed to spirit plants). Celestial animals went to the world and took nourishment from the terrestrial plants and produced terrestrial animals(as opposed to spirit animals). Christ headed all the creative operations under the direction of His Heavenly Father. However, when it came time to place man physically upon a world, then Heavenly Father was directly involved. He would bring one of His wives and they would partake of the fruit of that world until Their bodies were charged with it, and then the Heavenly Mother would give birth to a terrestrial man or woman (as opposed to a spirit man or woman). And, like all other life forms, the corresponding and appropriate spirit would enter the man or woman at the appointed time, just as the intelligences would enter Heavenly Mother at the appointed time prior to the spirit birth.

BY's Adam Sr/Jr hypothesis. Not doctrine.

It might not be current doctrine today but it clearly was in BY's day. It was a lecture at the veil in the temple all the up until his death.

[_son of Ishmael]

Clearly BY thought it was doctrine. But hey he was just a prophet, seer, and revelator, what the heck does he know?

Some years ago I advanced a doctrine with regard to Adam being our Father and God...It is one of the most glorious revealments of the economy of heaven... (President Brigham Young, in the Tabernacle, General Conference, October 8, 1861, 10:30 a.m.; Brigham Young Addresses, 1860-1864, Vol. 4, by Elden J. Watson, sheet 134 (in chronological order), Historical Dept. Church, Ms d 1234, Box 49 fd 8)

[_gdemetz]

What I gave was the true doctrine. The part Brigham Young got wrong, as his personal opinion, was the part about God and one of His wives becoming mortal after eating the fruit. President Joseph F. Smith addressed this issue in a letter that was drafted by Wilford Woodruff. Their bodies became "charged" with the fruit, and not changed by it. It is my opinion that Brigham Young misunderstood this revelation which was given to him by Joseph Smith. When their bodies became charged with it, then they produced, according to natural law, physical bodies for Adam and Eve. The cartoon version of Adam popping up from the ground which is accepted by apostate Christendom is false and shows the desperate need for the restitution of all things! It also does nothing to explain how Adam is also the son of God as the Book of Moses and the Book of Luke state!

[_just me]

Sounds very magical.

So, god never commanded himself not to eat the fruit? Is the whole account in Genesis is wrong according to you, gdemetz? Adam didn't "fall?"

[_gdemetz]

It's not as magical as just springing up from the dust. I never stated that Adam didn't fall. God commanded Adam and Eve not to eat a certain fruit, and they did which led to their fall. This is all Biblical.

[_bcuzbcuz]

It's not as magical as just springing up from the dust. I never stated that Adam didn't fall. God commanded Adam and Eve not to eat a certain fruit, and they did which led to their fall. This is all Biblical.

Genesis 1 through 9, the first Book of Moses, (that Moses didn't write) that covers the creation and a list of people who lived 900 years of age, on average, up to and including the flood of Noah is nothing but fictive fairy tales. It has nothing to do with the sequencing of life on this planet.

Neither the order of things created nor the manner of creation as put forth in Genesis has anything to do with reality. There is zero evidence of a creation that accurred some 6000 years ago. The whole idea of a creation is fantasy and therefore impossible to even imagine as being falsifiable.

The theory of evolution is, however, falsifiable. It could easily be proven wrong if someone, anyone, anywhere, found evidence of advanced life, like a rabbit or dog in Cambian layers. Or if anyone found a rabbit or a dog buried, undisturbed and not 'planted',of course, in any layer of the limestones and shale from the top to the bottom of the Grand Canyon.

[_Drifting]

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Old Testament, Genesis, Chapter 1)

This would indicate that there was at least a starting event of some sort...

It would also suggest that someone was erroneously giving God the credit for Jesus and Michaels hard work...