How does the Book of Mormon define priestcraft 2?

[_sleepyhead]

Hello whitmer,

I agree with you that light of the world is the significant part of the definition. This was my second attempt at using the Book of Mormon to define priestcraft. Unfortunately you and others have chosen to go beyond the topic of the thread. I don't care whether you criticise the church or not but it's unfortunate that you and others felt the need to do in on the thread I created. You are perfectly free to create your own thread about any topic you desire.

[_Dr. Shades]

Mods.
I believe it has been clearly stated before that misrepresenting someones quote is unacceptable....is that still true?

Yes, it's still true.

[_Buffalo]

Mods.
I believe it has been clearly stated before that misrepresenting someones quote is unacceptable....is that still true?

Yes, it's still true.

That's fine, but it should probably be mentioned somewhere in the rules.

[_subgenius]

obvious misrepresentation of any facts to the point of being an illogical fantasy.

"Fools mock, but they shall mourn;" (Ether 12)

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classic example of inserting oneself as the "light"?...but thanks for the reference.

Reminds me of Ether 12:6
"And now, I, Moroni, would speak somewhat concerning these things; I would show unto the world-" - Stop right there Moroni! sounds like the priestcraft of revelation!

Ether 12:27.
And if men come unto me I will show unto them their weakness. I give unto men weakness that they may be humble; and my grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them.

[_madeleine]

If we consider the gift Jesus brought, it was that any man could use his name - not just High Priest. Protestants understand that. Mormons, Catholics, the Orthodox Churches, Church of England, Islam, etc. all teach that they are the light, and one must go through them to get to God.

hi, Catholic teaching is that God calls to all, the Catholic Church is the means of Salvation, whether you are Catholic or not. It is a supernatural attribute of the Body of Christ, which we understand to be His Church.

In the Roman Church, it's worse, as man has added all kinds of penitence's to absolve sins,

Penitence doesn't absolve sin, Jesus Christ in the the person the Priest does.

with all sorts of misdirection using Mary and saints to help.

Yes, we do believe that other faithful, living and dead, can help us live Christian lives. They don't absolve our sins though.

It truly is abominable, so abominable, that it wiped out the simple gospel that the Twelve Apostles taught, and as the Book of Mormon prophesied, they even changed the Word of God to accompany their blasphemous requirements. This was in fact one of the remedies that the Book of Mormon offered.

I believe, and have faith, that when Jesus said He would not leave us as orphans, He hasn't. Our Bishops are the successors to the Apostles. The faith has been handed on and protected.

[_DWhitmer]

If we consider the gift Jesus brought, it was that any man could use his name - not just High Priest. Protestants understand that. Mormons, Catholics, the Orthodox Churches, Church of England, Islam, etc. all teach that they are the light, and one must go through them to get to God.

hi, Catholic teaching is that God calls to all, the Catholic Church is the means of Salvation, whether you are Catholic or not. It is a supernatural attribute of the Body of Christ, which we understand to be His Church.

Thank you for confirming that Catholicism is full of priestcraft. Believers are the body of Christ, which is Christ's church. To be a member, one must accept the gift and teachings of Jesus, his gospel as confirmed by both two books of scripture: the Holy Bible and the Holy Book of Mormon. You'll find words such as "CARDINAL" and "POPE" absent; and teachings such as transubstantiation and the selling of indulgences absent. It is truly deceiving to come here pretending Catholicism is anything but a morally depraved; ancient and resurrected; hierarchical, blasphemous institution; repent!

I believe, and have faith, that when Jesus said He would not leave us as orphans, He hasn't. Our Bishops are the successors to the Apostles. The faith has been handed on and protected.

Actually, the Holy Ghost was sent, which was promised would comfort us (John 14:16-17 & 18). And Jesus himself said he could come, not Mary, and not some pedophilic priest. You trust that God approves your church attendance and that sitting on a pew once or twice a week and listen to the unscriptural recitals and anointing yourself with holy water, or the cross, etc. impresses God?

If you knew your church history, you would run in horror and remove your name from that church as quickly as possible. Comfort is with God, not some alleged saint, or Mary, a pope or priest. You should read some near death experiences to see how far such misplaced faiths get you on the other side, but the good news, you have time to repent and join other born again Christians who know Christ as their personal Savior. The very group of individuals who founded this great nation of America!

[_Albion]

The Church of England most certainly does not preach "they" are the only light nor that one "must go through them" to get to God. They do preach that they are part of Christ's Church which is the communion of believers.

[_DWhitmer]

The Church of England most certainly does not preach "they" are the only light nor that one "must go through them" to get to God. They do preach that they are part of Christ's Church which is the communion of believers.

Not always, episcopal succession is important:

Anglicans assert unbroken episcopal succession in and through the Church of England back to St. Augustine of Canterbury and to the first century Roman province of Britannia. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episcopalian_church_governance#Anglican_Communion]

And baptism is administered by the clergy:

In the Anglican tradition, the celebration of the sacraments is reserved to the clergy: bishops, priests and deacons — this last may baptise and, in some Provinces, celebrate marriages. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_sacraments#Ordained_ministry]

[_Albion]

None of that supports your original assertion. The Church of England does not claim any corner on correctness as being the only church one must got through to God.,

[_DWhitmer]

None of that supports your original assertion. The Church of England does not claim any corner on correctness as being the only church one must got through to God.,

Obviously they are important; read the links.

Let me help your dissonance, do they accept the baptisms of Mormons, Jehovah Witness, or Adventist?

Lay members are not routinely performing baptisms, they are not allowed, that alone substantiaties the position, sorry.