For all of South America, with 2.25 million members, less than 1.8% of the total adult membership has been married in the temple.(Source: Encyclopedia of Mormonism, edited by Daniel H. Ludlow, 1992, 4:1532)
Even if you assumed that 100% of temple married Mormons were still active, that would put the solid, covenant-following membership of the entire continent (i.e., the leadership material) of about 40,000 people. That doesn't exactly give the impression of a strong and growing church, does it?
sansfoy wrote:Unless Mormons participate in an active program to deceive the Brazilian census, then I suppose you could add a few thousand to that total. I'm pretty sure that the entire census counts as a valid statistical sample from which one can extrapolate the percentage of self-declared Mormons versus both the overall population and the number declared by the church itself.
simply not true. For example, 50% of Los Angeles county did not participate in the census...primarily from latino and asisan areas...and the stretch of multimillion dollar celebrity estates in Malibu...your "extrapolation" is hardly applicable across these diverse areas. The same is true for the Brazilian favelas and otherwise remote locations. There has been countless major and minor news articles and scholarly studies that highlight the incredible inaccuracies inherent to a "census", of which your hypothesis here is seemingly unaware of (ie. Imputation)
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sansfoy wrote:Unless Mormons participate in an active program to deceive the Brazilian census, then I suppose you could add a few thousand to that total. I'm pretty sure that the entire census counts as a valid statistical sample from which one can extrapolate the percentage of self-declared Mormons versus both the overall population and the number declared by the church itself.
simply not true. For example, 50% of Los Angeles county did not participate in the census...primarily from latino and asisan areas...and the stretch of multimillion dollar celebrity estates in Malibu...your "extrapolation" is hardly applicable across these diverse areas. The same is true for the Brazilian favelas and otherwise remote locations. There has been countless major and minor news articles and scholarly studies that highlight the incredible inaccuracies inherent to a "census", of which your hypothesis here is seemingly unaware of (ie. Imputation)
Census, they wrong... Church numbers, they right...
Got it
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Drifting wrote:Census, they wrong... Church numbers, they right...
Got it
likely you do not "got it", as evidenced time and time again. Your apparent absence of knowing much about any census has not impeded your devotion to them - which is impressive devotion and saddening negligence.
As for the two "systems" being used to count members, the Church is a likely candidate for the more reliable considering the parameters and methods involved....but i am sure you already knew all about such things.
Big difference between accuracy and wrong... ...Got it?
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
For all of South America, with 2.25 million members, less than 1.8% of the total adult membership has been married in the temple.(Source: Encyclopedia of Mormonism, edited by Daniel H. Ludlow, 1992, 4:1532)
Even if you assumed that 100% of temple married Mormons were still active, that would put the solid, covenant-following membership of the entire continent (i.e., the leadership material) of about 40,000 people. That doesn't exactly give the impression of a strong and growing church, does it?
Hello,
My present understanding is that getting married in the temple is an American thing. You gave a date of 1992, which was 20 years ago, and I don't know what things were like then, but at the present time if you don't live in America, the common practice is to get married in the usual manner, and then go to the temple and do whatever rituals are required.
subgenius wrote: Big difference between accuracy and wrong... ...Got it?
Census, not accurate... Church numbers, accurate... Got it.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Drifting wrote:According to the official 2010 census.
Population = 191 million Mormons = 226,000 (0.118% of population)
226,000/191,000,000 = 0.00118
.118 X 191,000,000 = 22,538,000
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subgenius wrote:likely you do not "got it", as evidenced time and time again. Your apparent absence of knowing much about any census has not impeded your devotion to them - which is impressive devotion and saddening negligence.
As for the two "systems" being used to count members, the Church is a likely candidate for the more reliable considering the parameters and methods involved....but i am sure you already knew all about such things.
Big difference between accuracy and wrong... ...Got it?
It really depends on the information you want. If you want total number of people baptized then the church's numbers are the only ones you can go by since a census does not collect this information. It won't be accurate since the church counts all baptized people they have lost contact with until they are 110 years old.
If you are seeking the number of people who consider themselves Mormon, then the census is the only place you can get this information since the church doesn't collect this information, and if they do, they don't publish it. Now while Census information does have problems in collecting data, it does not affect all information equally, and the numbers of adherents would be fairly accurate, unless you can provide concrete reasons why it wouldn't.
