Revelation as a treatise of alchemy

[_SteelHead]

When it comes to the ramblings of Jo, sheryl and the like...... I don't even try to understand. I must lack the spiritual maturity, or lucidity.

That or I just have a low tolerance for mumbo jumbo and bs..... Mingled with scriptures.

[_sheryl]

Hi Sheryl,

You have given me so much to think about and get my head around. Already I am seeing how even the Jews, though their language is Hebrew, do not appear to understand the higher teachings for which their language was created.

I also see so many similarities in how Joseph Smith and Brigham Young tried to explain in English that knowledge which was enlightening their spirits. I do not know if any Kabbalah masters were around to help them; but is is apparent they WERE receiving higher understandings once the Gospel was restored. When it was restored there were very few, if any, "gentiles" who even knew about Kabbalah. Therefore, there was just generally nothing that man could identify with. I think if they had started out using the language you are now teaching us, the LDS Church would have found it nigh impossible to obtain any members.

You have probably heard of the Adam-God teaching of Brigham Young which even the members of the Church thought was a manifestation of BY having "lost it". Of course, language is a huge barrier for mankind.

Anyway, I am getting lost in my own thoughts. As soon as I have had time to digest some of this, I will respond to your post. I just wanted to make sure that you knew I am very much interested in pursuing this thread.

Shalom my friend,

jo

Shalom Friend!

Kabbalah is a difficult language to wrap the linear mind around - especially one that has arisen in the west! [There are several Eastern traditions which teach this same knowledge that I have become familiar with - their cultural language and thinking making it easier for a seeker to grasp these spiritual concepts.] I can promise any though who attempt to learn a mystical language, there is help for you. God is not linear. God functions outside of time and space, and so we have to have a language that is more multidimensional to be able to discuss certain aspects of God.

The Sefirot (hebrew for enumerations, counting the attributes of God - 10!) are taken from all the descriptions of God's attributes in the Bible.

Take 1 Chronicles 29 for example:

Blessed are You, Lord God of Israel, our Father, forever and ever.
11 Yours, O Lord, is the greatness,
The power and the glory,
The victory and the majesty;
For all that is in heaven and in earth is Yours;
Yours is the kingdom, O Lord,
And You are exalted as head over all.
12 Both riches and honor come from You,
And You reign over all.
In Your hand is power and might;
In Your hand it is to make great
And to give strength to all.

And psalms 29 and 96.

One can use the Blue Letter Bible to find the Sefirot in these verses. It begins to make more sense when one realizes they have been reading what is called Kabbalah all along! Kabbalah itself is merely a received teaching, and so we could call the Revelation of John John's Kabbalah! It might also be of interest that the word that has come to mean destruction of the world is apocalypse - also a Hebrew word!

So the Apocalypse or Revelation of Christ. Such shattering and ascending is bliss for those who long for salvation!

We teach that the Second Coming of Christ upon all flesh has been occurring for several hundred of years - ever since humanity came out of the Dark Ages or the period of falling away from the Apocalypse of Christ in the First Coming. This falling away, my friend, was a shattering! It took place to rid the human mind of klippot or ignorance that stood in the way of the Second Coming. And just look at the Dark Ages, how much ignorance or darkness was revealed through the Catholic Church, and eliminated from our collective consciousness. Now there are some throw backs, some who still cling to the old limiting ways - it is our way or the highway! (which use to be it is our way or death - so we have progressed).

I teach my children to avoid any who demand that they hold to any limited view of God.

Shalom!

Sheryl

[_just me]

It might also be of interest that the word that has come to mean destruction of the world is apocalypse - also a Hebrew word!

What?! That is Greek.

[_SteelHead]

It might also be of interest that the word that has come to mean destruction of the world is apocalypse - also a Hebrew word!

What?! That is Greek.

Point and match!

[_sheryl]

Yes, my mistake. I apologize.

Apocalypse = Kabbalah = Revelation
Greek Hebrew English

[_jo1952]

I get so sick and tired of people saying the Jews didn't/don't understand. Jo, what exactly do you mean when you say that?

Hi Just Me,

You may be confusing "people saying the Jews didn't/don't understand" with what I just said about the purpose of their language.

Generally, when people who follow Christendom say the Jews didn't or don't understand, they are referring to the blindness which was placed upon them when they failed to recognize Jesus as the promised Messiah. When Jesus rode into Jerusalem riding the donkey (which is known as Palm Sunday in Christian tradition), He was fulfilling, to the exact day, the prophecy made by the Prophet Daniel.

The Jews, however, were looking for a Messiah who would be a militaristic hero who would permanently free them from the subjection of being under the rule of any nation on the earth. Also, in Jesus' teachings we learn how the scribes and Pharisees had twisted Jewish doctrine to the point that they were teaching as doctrine the commandments of men. And so, they missed their day.....the day that fulfilled the thousands of years of prophetic preparation for the incarnation in the flesh of their Messiah which would be manifested to the Jews by Jesus' arrival in Jerusalem on the very day on which it had been prophesied.

As it turns out, the blindness placed upon them still served God's purposes. The blindness protected the Jews from judgment for missing their day from a spiritual perspective, even though they were punished temporally (i.e., the complete destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD at which time around 1.5 million Jews were killed by the Romans, and the remaining Jews were made slaves). The blindness placed on the Jews opened the door for the Gentiles to be able to receive the Gospel message. Once the Gospel work is completed amongst the Gentiles, the blindness of the Jews will be removed, and they will recognize Jesus as the Messiah. Still, though many Jews did convert to Christianity in ancient times continuing through modern times.

The majority of Jews were Rabbinical (temporally-based) in their beliefs. The minority were also versed in Kabbalah (spiritually-based) in their beliefs to which their Hebrew language was suited. This is what I was talking about when I said: Already I am seeing how even the Jews, though their language is Hebrew, do not appear to understand the higher teachings for which their language was created.

Have you guys read this?Joseph Smith and Kabbalah: The Occult Connection

I have read excerpts from it. I have bookmarked your link so that I can read the entire thing as soon as I have the time. (Thank you!)

Blessings,

jo

[_SteelHead]

The Jews, however, were looking for a Messiah who would be a militaristic hero who would permanently free them from the subjection of being under the rule of any nation on the earth. Also, in Jesus' teachings we learn how the scribes and Pharisees had twisted Jewish doctrine to the point that they were teaching as doctrine the commandments of men. And so, they missed their day.....the day that fulfilled the thousands of years of prophetic preparation for the incarnation in the flesh of their Messiah which would be manifested to the Jews by Jesus' arrival in Jerusalem on the very day on which it had been prophesied.

Which may or may not be true depending upon your view of the mathematical machinations required to show said fulfillment, and the historical authenticity of the Christ narrative.

What day and year was Jesus born? I forget....

[_Franktalk]

What day and year was Jesus born? I forget....

I hope you remember because I would like to know.

[_jo1952]

The Jews, however, were looking for a Messiah who would be a militaristic hero who would permanently free them from the subjection of being under the rule of any nation on the earth. Also, in Jesus' teachings we learn how the scribes and Pharisees had twisted Jewish doctrine to the point that they were teaching as doctrine the commandments of men. And so, they missed their day.....the day that fulfilled the thousands of years of prophetic preparation for the incarnation in the flesh of their Messiah which would be manifested to the Jews by Jesus' arrival in Jerusalem on the very day on which it had been prophesied.

Which may or may not be true depending upon your view of the mathematical machinations required to show said fulfillment, and the historical authenticity of the Christ narrative.

What day and year was Jesus born? I forget....

The fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy was the day Jesus entered Jerusalem riding a donkey (a.k.a. Palm Sunday); not the day of Jesus' birth. As to calculating that exact day, I like what is offered in the book, "The Coming Prince", by Sir Robert Anderson, as the author is very thorough in providing Biblical support for his calculations. You can find a complete copy on-line at: http://philologos.org/__eb-tcp/

Blessings,

jo

[_Samantabhadra]

Yes, my mistake. I apologize.

Apocalypse = Kabbalah = Revelation
Greek Hebrew English

This is nonsense. Apocalypse is from the Greek apokalypsis which means "un-hidden" (alpha privative + kalyptein "to hide"). Kabbalah is Hebrew qabbalah meaning "received [tradition]," from qibbel "to receive"; in modern Arabic qabala still means "he received/accepted."

True esoteric knowledge is not something that you just make up on your own.