And of tenets thou shalt not talk

[_Tobin]

Pot and kettle come to mind or are you suggesting that Mormonism isn't "tearing down and attacking another faith"? Its whole premise is an attack on the Christian faith. Its an "abomination" remember and all those who profess it are "corrupt". Isn't this board about discussion? If you disagree with what has been posted, respond to it rather than resorting to the usual personal stuff. Derision is not a response.

That's a ridiculous position. You might as well say all other religions are an attack on Chrisitianity. Do you go about attacking Islam on Islamic forums and Jews on Jewish forums?

[_Albion]

You still refuse to accept that Mormonism attacks Christianity and only see criticism of your particular belief system as "tearing down". Now that really is hypocrisy.

[_Tobin]

You still refuse to accept that Mormonism attacks Christianity and only see criticism of your particular belief system as "tearing down". Now that really is hypocrisy.

As I've said below, the fact people are Mormon or that Mormonism exists is not an attack on Christianity. No more than Islam, Hinduism, Judaism and so on are not attacks on Chrisitianity either. You can't expect people who believe in Islam to embrace Christianity in their Mosques and the same could be said of those that believe in other religions including Mormons.

If you want to convince Mormons that they are wrong, I certainly wouldn't attack them and what they believe. But that is up to you. I find it despicable behavior, especially coming from someone that claims they are Christian.

[_moksha]

Pot and kettle come to mind or are you suggesting that Mormonism isn't "tearing down and attacking another faith"?

Okay, list one video, that stands as a directed attack or diatribe against a specific religious group, produce by the LDS Church.

Derision is not a response.

Seems to be a universal on all message boards.

[_LittleNipper]

You still refuse to accept that Mormonism attacks Christianity and only see criticism of your particular belief system as "tearing down". Now that really is hypocrisy.

As I've said below, the fact people are Mormon or that Mormonism exists is not an attack on Christianity. No more than Islam, Hinduism, Judaism and so on are not attacks on Chrisitianity either. You can't expect people who believe in Islam to embrace Christianity in their Mosques and the same could be said of those that believe in other religions including Mormons.

If you want to convince Mormons that they are wrong, I certainly wouldn't attack them and what they believe. But that is up to you. I find it despicable behavior, especially coming from someone that claims they are Christian.

However, they claim to be "Christian." Yet Mormons do not really believe Christ is anything but another created being much like satan. That is an attack is it not? Mormonism attacks the Biblical definition of Diety --- saying we are all gods --- God didn't create spirits but begat them according to Mormonism. Is that not so? Why do you feel so threatened by what ex-mormons say? Clearly, if what you believe is totally correct --- then clearly you have nothing to fear. However, I believe you are perhaps uncertain of your form of "salvation"..?

[_Tobin]

However, they claim to be "Christian."

So do many other groups, but I don't see you attacking them?

Yet Mormons do not really believe Christ is anything but another created being much like satan. That is an attack is it not?

You are confused. Christians believe God created Satan and that Jesus Christ is the only begotten of the Father, just as Mormon do. The only person attacking is you.

Mormonism attacks the Biblical definition of Diety --- saying we are all gods --- God didn't create spirits but begat them according to Mormonism. Is that not so?

Again, you are confused. The only difference between you and a Mormon is a Mormon believes nothing can be created out of nothing, but instead is formed from existing material. God created our spirits but when Mormons state that, they mean he formed their spirits. And the only begotten of the Father is Jesus Christ. You should believe that as well.

Why do you feel so threatened by what ex-mormons say? Clearly, if what you believe is totally correct --- then clearly you have nothing to fear.

I have nothing to feel threatened by ex-mormons from. I've seen God and know that he lives, how about you? I feel at complete ease discussing God, the scriptures, and the gospel.

However, I believe you are perhaps uncertain of your form of "salvation"..?

I am saved by the grace of Jesus Christ. You should seek God and speak with him and do what he says. That is the only salvation possible.

[_Albion]

In Matthew 23, known as the Sermon of Woes, Jesus modeled a very firm attack on the error and false witness of his day, bearding the lion in its den. The Great Commission is the charge given to Christ's church as an imperative for believers who are called to contend for the gospel. Wherever the message of Jesus has been proclaimed it has been met with resistance. Are you suggesting that Christians, who are concerned that Mormons are in gross error that threatens their salvation, should just leave Mormons alone to go blindly down the path or error to their destruction or do you claim that only Mormons act out of sincerity. I have acknowledged that I accept the sincerity of Mormons......apparently you make no allowance for that in Christians. I see no personal attacks in any of the posts that call Mormonism into question...the focus is the Mormon Church and its theology....yet personal insult does appear to be included in the currency of most of the Mormon apologists here. In my short time here I have been called everything from "an empty suit" to dumb, stupid, and ignorant but I'' take all that if I can crack even one small foundation of the false gospel that is Mormonism with the real truth of God's word. For that I make no apologies no matter you think I am wasting my time.

[_Tobin]

In Matthew 23, known as the Sermon of Woes, Jesus modeled a very firm attack on the error and false witness of his day, bearding the lion in its den. The Great Commission is the charge given to Christ's church as an imperative for believers who are called to contend for the gospel. Wherever the message of Jesus has been proclaimed it has been met with resistance. Are you suggesting that Christians, who are concerned that Mormons are in gross error that threatens their salvation, should just leave Mormons alone to go blindly down the path or error to their destruction or do you claim that only Mormons act out of sincerity. I have acknowledged that I accept the sincerity of Mormons......apparently you make no allowance for that in Christians. I see no personal attacks in any of the posts that call Mormonism into question...the focus is the Mormon Church and its theology....yet personal insult does appear to be included in the currency of most of the Mormon apologists here. In my short time here I have been called everything from "an empty suit" to dumb, stupid, and ignorant but I'' take all that if I can crack even one small foundation of the false gospel that is Mormonism with the real truth of God's word. For that I make no apologies no matter you think I am wasting my time.

Stating what you believe to be the truth and pointing out what you believe to be errors and giving good reasons for that is a whole different world from belittling and attacking anothers beliefs and faith. I believe in God and do not appreciate being called names or having a very sacred belief like that attacked. If you wish to make a good point or fairly argue something, I'm willing to listen. However, when you wander down the path of attacking things I hold dear, I'll dismiss you and ignore you - as would any reasonable person. You have to be careful not to do things like that and that is my point in response to Mittens.

[_moksha]

Are you suggesting that Christians, who are concerned that Mormons are in gross error that threatens their salvation, should just leave Mormons alone to go blindly down the path or error to their destruction or do you claim that only Mormons act out of sincerity.

Not when there is a buck to be made in an anti-mormon ministry. Forget that the irreducible byproduct of Jesus desire that we love others also implies that we are to respect them. Go with the principle that you can carve a niche while indulging your desire to desecrate the religious beliefs of others.

Evangelizing by dagger is never appealing.

[_Mittens]

Evangelic message
Matthew 7
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Mormon message

Matthew 7
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not Baptised for the dead in Your name, Abstained from Coffee in Your name, and done many wonders like going on mission for two years in Your name?’
23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Sounds like the most important thing Jesus taught was to have a relationship with Jesus, not of works

Bruce McConkie said the opposite


Our Relationship with the Lord
BRUCE R. MCCONKIE
Now, it is no secret that many false and vain and foolish things are being taught in the sectarian world and even among us about our need to gain a special relationship with the Lord Jesus. I shall summarize the true doctrine in this field and invite erring teachers and beguiled students to repent and believe the accepted gospel verities as I shall set them forth.
We worship the Father and him only and no one else.

We do not worship the Son, and we do not worship the Holy Ghost. I know perfectly well what the scriptures say about worshipping Christ and Jehovah, but they are speaking in an entirely different sense--the sense of standing in awe and being reverentially grateful to him who has redeemed us. Worship in the true and saving sense is reserved for God the first, the Creator.
Christ worked out his own salvation by worshiping the Father.

http://speeches.BYU.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6843