Stone Boxes and Metallic Plates

[_ldsfaqs]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day?

But seriously, I think you would need to show that all archaeological discoveries of stone boxes came later than the Book of Mormon. In other words, incorporating current technologies, discoveries, current events, historical events, etc., and using them to create an imaginary world in a work of fiction is normal. It doesn't make the work of fiction, non-fiction.

Read the scholarship..... All known discovery's DID come AFTER the Book of Mormon was published.
If I'm remembering right 1860 was the first known or published discovery in Greece.

All the scholars and anti-mormons for years mocked the Church and Joseph concerning metal plates with writing and stone boxes for storage of them and other items, etc.

In fact, even the Smithsonian Institution claimed in 1996 that there were no know "metal" working prior to 1492 in the America's. We all now know that to be blatantly false.

Further, this isn't the only issue.... There are HUNDREDS of evidences that have been discovered AFTER the Book of Mormon was published that support the Book of Mormon and LDS claims, that anti-mormons and science claimed never existed, let alone for other works such as the Book of Abraham etc. Most of the discovery's have occured the last 40 years, which is why anti-mormons are still so behind. They still stick their heads in the sand believing nothing support Mormon claims. Even 20 years ago when I re-researched there was a HUGE amount of evidences that along with that and more I was easily convinced to come back to the Church after being atheist/agnostic and anti-mormon anti-religion.

Study it out for yourself. The sciences have now fully validated LDS claims with plenty of evidences. Go to an LDS and start studying. I would recommend the book, "Lehi in the Wilderness - 81 New Documented Evidences" and the DVD that goes with it. What's further amazing is they actually labeled the book wrong. It's actually 81 points as mentioned in the Book of Mormon on the journey that have been validated by a couple 1,000 evidences. Lehi's entire journey has been found, perfectly matching every detail along the entire journey. Not only that, but the discovery of the "Lehianites", a people in the exact place and time they should be when Lehi would have been there according to the Book of Mormon, as well as Bountiful, on and on.

[_ldsfaqs]

The stone box, did Joseph now about the use of stone boxes to bury metallic plates or did he just get a lucky hit?

The idea exited in Joseph's day.

Not really..... I think there might have been a couple of known examples, but EVERYONE in the day didn't know about it. Most people thought everything was written on Parchment.

The "few" things that did exist in Joseph's day, the likelihood that he knew about ALL of them to make his book, when most everyone else especially in the U.S. DIDN'T know about them, and even more, that the vast majority of various other discovery's DID absolutely come after Joseph makes clear that Joseph nor anyone else wrote the book.

[_madeleine]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day?

But seriously, I think you would need to show that all archaeological discoveries of stone boxes came later than the Book of Mormon. In other words, incorporating current technologies, discoveries, current events, historical events, etc., and using them to create an imaginary world in a work of fiction is normal. It doesn't make the work of fiction, non-fiction.

Read the scholarship..... All known discovery's DID come AFTER the Book of Mormon was published.
If I'm remembering right 1860 was the first known or published discovery in Greece.

All the scholars and anti-mormons for years mocked the Church and Joseph concerning metal plates with writing and stone boxes for storage of them and other items, etc.

In fact, even the Smithsonian Institution claimed in 1996 that there were no know "metal" working prior to 1492 in the America's. We all now know that to be blatantly false.

Further, this isn't the only issue.... There are HUNDREDS of evidences that have been discovered AFTER the Book of Mormon was published that support the Book of Mormon and LDS claims, that anti-mormons and science claimed never existed, let alone for other works such as the Book of Abraham etc. Most of the discovery's have occured the last 40 years, which is why anti-mormons are still so behind. They still stick their heads in the sand believing nothing support Mormon claims. Even 20 years ago when I re-researched there was a HUGE amount of evidences that along with that and more I was easily convinced to come back to the Church after being atheist/agnostic and anti-mormon anti-religion.

Study it out for yourself. The sciences have now fully validated LDS claims with plenty of evidences. Go to an LDS and start studying. I would recommend the book, "Lehi in the Wilderness - 81 New Documented Evidences" and the DVD that goes with it. What's further amazing is they actually labeled the book wrong. It's actually 81 points as mentioned in the Book of Mormon on the journey that have been validated by a couple 1,000 evidences. Lehi's entire journey has been found, perfectly matching every detail along the entire journey. Not only that, but the discovery of the "Lehianites", a people in the exact place and time they should be when Lehi would have been there according to the Book of Mormon, as well as Bountiful, on and on.

Peer reviews scientific evidence would be more useful. So-called Mormon scholarship isn't very convincing.

[_madeleine]

There is also this.

http://solomonspalding.com/SRP/SRPpap04.htm

[_Bret Ripley]

The biggest problem with your judgment is that Joseph Smith got right at least some 100,000 "weak" AND "strong" things.

[_Themis]

Not really..... I think there might have been a couple of known examples, but EVERYONE in the day didn't know about it. Most people thought everything was written on Parchment.

The "few" things that did exist in Joseph's day, the likelihood that he knew about ALL of them to make his book, when most everyone else especially in the U.S. DIDN'T know about them, and even more, that the vast majority of various other discovery's DID absolutely come after Joseph makes clear that Joseph nor anyone else wrote the book.

So the idea did exist, but some may not have known about it. Another-words Joseph may indeed known about the idea since is was popular in some tales of the day. As to your other claims, you would need to provide evidence for them. What discoveries came after Joseph. You admit the stone boxes and plates came before Joseph.

[_just me]

So the idea did exist, but some may not have known about it. Another-words Joseph may indeed known about the idea since is was popular in some tales of the day. As to your other claims, you would need to provide evidence for them. What discoveries came after Joseph. You admit the stone boxes and plates came before Joseph.

Themis, I love you, but if you type "another-words" one more time I'm gonna scream. It's "in other words" or In other words for short.

Sorry! Very, very sorry!

[_Themis]

Sorry! Very, very sorry!

No problem. I don't claim to be an English major.

[_ldsfaqs]

Not really..... I think there might have been a couple of known examples, but EVERYONE in the day didn't know about it. Most people thought everything was written on Parchment.

The "few" things that did exist in Joseph's day, the likelihood that he knew about ALL of them to make his book, when most everyone else especially in the U.S. DIDN'T know about them, and even more, that the vast majority of various other discovery's DID absolutely come after Joseph makes clear that Joseph nor anyone else wrote the book.

So the idea did exist, but some may not have known about it. Another-words Joseph may indeed known about the idea since is was popular in some tales of the day. As to your other claims, you would need to provide evidence for them. What discoveries came after Joseph. You admit the stone boxes and plates came before Joseph.

Frankly I don't remember off hand the DATE of the very first discovery of plates and/or stone boxes "specifically". And a brief search, the earliest I could find was 1860.... well after Joseph Smith.

But I do remember there are PLENTY of other things that came known after Joseph for sure.
As to some examples, the fact that you aren't even aware of these things even yourself tells me maybe you aren't as "learned" as you think concerning the Church. And me, I don't regurgitate scholarship for a living. I'm a regular joe who's simply studied/study's a lot to find out things for myself. I have other talents I "regurgitate" on a whim.

Feel free to do a quick search are FAIR or Jeff Lindsay's site, etc., or Google, I'm sure you'll find some examples if it's so important for you. Of course, I'm sure you won't. I'm only relaying testimony of what I remember from my own study. You shouldn't expect people to hold your hand in the discovery of truth. I've pointed.... Now do something for a change.

And don't do the predictable anti-mormon whine, waaa waaa, the Mormon made a claim and didn't provide any facts. Frankly, I post facts when I have time, and that's only maybe once a month here or there, and further, I've been doing this long enough that it doesn't matter if I or any other Mormon posts facts to support their position, it's simply ignored and mocked anyway. So, forgive me if "I" choose to waste my time when "I" feel like it. The first couple of years I started doing apologetics I posted facts on almost every claim I made, and it usually took a few hours of detail and proper research, collection and posting of the data. But, like I said, it doesn't matter how much or how detailed, you people just ignore it. So, I don't waste my time like that anymore unless I'm really interested. Sorry, I've pointed, now you do something for a change.

[_Drifting]

So the idea did exist, but some may not have known about it. Another-words Joseph may indeed known about the idea since is was popular in some tales of the day. As to your other claims, you would need to provide evidence for them. What discoveries came after Joseph. You admit the stone boxes and plates came before Joseph.

Frankly I don't remember off hand the DATE of the very first discovery of plates and/or stone boxes "specifically". And a brief search, the earliest I could find was 1860.... well after Joseph Smith.

But I do remember there are PLENTY of other things that came known after Joseph for sure.
As to some examples, the fact that you aren't even aware of these things even yourself tells me maybe you aren't as "learned" as you think concerning the Church. And me, I don't regurgitate scholarship for a living. I'm a regular joe who's simply studied/study's a lot to find out things for myself. I have other talents I "regurgitate" on a whim.

Feel free to do a quick search are FAIR or Jeff Lindsay's site, etc., or Google, I'm sure you'll find some examples if it's so important for you. Of course, I'm sure you won't. I'm only relaying testimony of what I remember from my own study. You shouldn't expect people to hold your hand in the discovery of truth. I've pointed.... Now do something for a change.

And don't do the predictable anti-mormon whine, waaa waaa, the Mormon made a claim and didn't provide any facts. Frankly, I post facts when I have time, and that's only maybe once a month here or there, and further, I've been doing this long enough that it doesn't matter if I or any other Mormon posts facts to support their position, it's simply ignored and mocked anyway. So, forgive me if "I" choose to waste my time when "I" feel like it. The first couple of years I started doing apologetics I posted facts on almost every claim I made, and it usually took a few hours of detail and proper research, collection and posting of the data. But, like I said, it doesn't matter how much or how detailed, you people just ignore it. So, I don't waste my time like that anymore unless I'm really interested. Sorry, I've pointed, now you do something for a change.

CFR