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CaliforniaKid wrote:There are so many good ones that it's really hard to choose. Several that are on Nevo's list would be on my shortlist as well. Another that I was recently very impressed with was Sam Brown's In Heaven as It Is on Earth. I also enjoyed the very readable Villages on Wheels: A Social History of the Gathering to Zion. Nevo's list is also missing a classic or two, such as Vogel's Indian Origins, Underwood's Millenarian World of Early Mormonism, and Mauss's Angel and the Beehive.


Sam Brown's volume is excellent, I just finished it.
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Jeffrey Holland's son's Sacred Borders (Oxford) looks really sexy.

http://www.amazon.com/wishlist/17Z0E4YJ ... SF.0TQVEXQ
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Historical issues I would love to see discussed in a book:

Did they celebrate Valentine'sn day in the household of BY?
What place did romance have in polygamous relationships?
Why is the 1890 manisfesto still used as the cessation of polygamy when we know it continued until the early 1900s?
Why the handcart disaster? I heard Will Bagley is examining that issue - was it to save money?
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aussieguy55 wrote:Historical issues I would love to see discussed in a book:

Did they celebrate Valentine'sn day in the household of BY?
What place did romance have in polygamous relationships?
Why is the 1890 manisfesto still used as the cessation of polygamy when we know it continued until the early 1900s?
Why the handcart disaster? I heard Will Bagley is examining that issue - was it to save money?


Lesbian encounters among sister wives would be a good one.
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aussieguy55 wrote:Why the handcart disaster? I heard Will Bagley is examining that issue - was it to save money?

You might find this article interesting.

One Long Funeral March: A Revisionist's View of the Mormon Handcart Disasters by Will Bagley

This is the pdf link. Clicking the link will download the 65 page article.
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Nelson Chung wrote:Jeffrey Holland's son's Sacred Borders (Oxford) looks really sexy.

http://www.amazon.com/wishlist/17Z0E4YJ ... SF.0TQVEXQ

I expect you've heard that David Holland was recently hired by Harvard Divinity School. Those Holland boys are no dodos.
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Nevo wrote:
Nelson Chung wrote:Jeffrey Holland's son's Sacred Borders (Oxford) looks really sexy.

http://www.amazon.com/wishlist/17Z0E4YJ ... SF.0TQVEXQ

I expect you've heard that David Holland was recently hired by Harvard Divinity School. Those Holland boys are no dodos.


Yup. I worked for Holland's other son. Not a dodo either.
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Re: Best peer-reviewed or PhD-authored books on Mormon histo

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The Church has finally said what I've been saying all along:

Look for sources by recognized and respected historians, whether they’re members of the Church or not.

http://www.LDS.org/new-era/2013/06/bala ... y?lang=eng

i.e. stay away from the trailer park bait on the internet.
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Nelson Chung wrote:The Church has finally said what I've been saying all along:

Look for sources by recognized and respected historians, whether they’re members of the Church or not.

http://www.LDS.org/new-era/2013/06/bala ... y?lang=eng

i.e. stay away from the trailer park bait on the internet.


So how does one define 'respectable'?

Certainly Snow would not want members reading Bagley's Blood of the Prophets and yet he is a "recognized and respected historian".

Would the Tanners, Mike Quinn, Dan Vogel and so on, make the list of respected historians?

There is a lot of irony in an accountant called as a Church Historian telling people to read respectable and recognized historians?
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Fence Sitter wrote:
Nelson Chung wrote:The Church has finally said what I've been saying all along:

http://www.LDS.org/new-era/2013/06/bala ... y?lang=eng

i.e. stay away from the trailer park bait on the internet.


So how does one define 'respectable'?

Certainly Snow would not want members reading Bagley's Blood of the Prophets and yet he is a "recognized and respected historian".

Would the Tanners, Mike Quinn, Dan Vogel and so on, make the list of respected historians?

There is a lot of irony in an accountant called as a Church Historian telling people to read respectable and recognized historians?


I'm a mathematician, not a historian, but history isn't rocket science. I'd be largely clueless if I were to read a physics book (I can dissect some of those models that use differential equations, but I would not know what a lot of those constants and variables mean). I can read history and Biblical studies and understand most of it. I know how to evaluate sources. Peer-review is the gold standard. For book-length treatments, university presses are the best. Prestigious university presses (Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard Princeton), even better.
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