Albion wrote:Neither response answers the question. If coming to earth and gaining a body is part of the process of progressing to godhood, how was Jesus a God before he did that?
The supposition is flawed. Coming to Earth and having a body is not part of the process of becoming God. Either you are God or you are not. Jesus is God. We are not and never will be.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Albion wrote:Neither response answers the question. If coming to earth and gaining a body is part of the process of progressing to godhood, how was Jesus a God before he did that?
The supposition is flawed. Coming to Earth and having a body is not part of the process of becoming God. Either you are God or you are not. Jesus is God. We are not and never will be.
Was Jesus the being you saw in person?
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
Tobin, coming to earth to gain a body and being exalted to Godhood is part of Mormon theology. Are you saying it isn't...or is it that you have some belief perspective different than the orthodox Mormon position. If you are presenting something different than what Mormonism teaches and which most Mormons believe then please say so. My questions are directed at core Mormon belief and not your personal interpretation of it.
Albion wrote:Tobin, coming to earth to gain a body and being exalted to Godhood is part of Mormon theology. Are you saying it isn't...or is it that you have some belief perspective different than the orthodox Mormon position. If you are presenting something different than what Mormonism teaches and which most Mormons believe then please say so. My questions are directed at core Mormon belief and not your personal interpretation of it.
It is a mischaracterization and misunderstanding of Mormonism. As I've stated, having a body does not make one God. And I'm not denying there are Mormons that think they will be God. They are mistaken. They can not and never will be able to do what Jesus Christ (God) has done, does, or will do. It is beyond them as I've already stated.
The best way to help them is to ask them this question, "Do you believe you are Jesus Christ?" It may sound like an odd question at first But if they think about it for a moment, they realize they are not nor can you ever be Jesus Christ. And since Jesus Christ is God, they must admit they can never be or do what God has done.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Evasive as usual. Not your personal belief, not what you think Mormonism should teach but actual Mormon belief and theology....does Mormonism teach that gaining a body is essential to eternal progression and exaltation to Godhood? It's a simple question...yes or no will do.
Albion wrote:Evasive as usual. Not your personal belief, not what you think Mormonism should teach but actual Mormon belief and theology....does Mormonism teach that gaining a body is essential to eternal progression and exaltation to Godhood? It's a simple question...yes or no will do.
It isn't evasive in the least. Not all people arrive at a realization of the truth at the same rate. Members of the Mormon Church have taught false doctrine in the name of Mormonism for a long time. That doesn't mean what they are teaching is representative of the doctrine. Especially when you ask them some probing questions about it.
Now, again, in answer to your question - I am a Mormon and I have told you my view. If that blows up your false assertion, too bad. Certainly you can ask another Mormon and they may give you a different view of it. However, I seriously doubt the view that man can be God stands up to scrutiny (as I've already pointed out). Mormonism is not about becoming God. It is about doing what God asks us to do.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
As ever, Tobin, discussing with you is like trying to capture smoke in a bottle so I'll decline to play play your games any more on this topic. Perhaps some real Mormons on the board would like to respond.
Albion wrote:As ever, Tobin, discussing with you is like trying to capture smoke in a bottle so I'll decline to play play your games any more on this topic. Perhaps some real Mormons on the board would like to respond.
An important part of God’s plan was for you to come to earth to receive a physical body and to learn to make correct choices.
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
Albion wrote:As ever, Tobin, discussing with you is like trying to capture smoke in a bottle so I'll decline to play play your games any more on this topic. Perhaps some real Mormons on the board would like to respond.
I'm a real Mormon and here is my response: This topic is boring.
"It is so hard to believe because it is so hard to obey." - Soren Kierkegaard