19th Century Photo of Joseph Smith's "Caractors" Discovered

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ludwigm wrote:
The Erotic Apologist wrote:And just for fun, here are some pics of a half-plate Petzval-style portrait lens from my collection.


Just for fun...
Joseph Petzval

http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3 ... 42#p745242 (off topic thread) ... because there is Hungarian régimen ...


You, ludwigm, are a constant surprize! You have an interest in optics! The Erotic Apologist is an expert in this area.

I have a few projector lenses that could be called Petzval. Maybe one very old camera lens. You never cease to amaze me.
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Quasimodo wrote:You, ludwigm, are a constant surprize!


I would like to ho e oop hah that thought.
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Quasimodo wrote: You have an interest in optics!

I must disappoint You !

My answer is on offtopic forum - You know, I was banned for commenting Hungarian things...

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I received this on my blog from someone (Mike MacKay) that works at the Joseph Smith Papers,

Gerrit Dirkmaat and I have included the Hicks photo in the Joseph Smith Papers volume, which is being released in a matter of weeks. Along with Robin Jensen, we have also fleshed when it was originally created along with an in depth analysis on the handwriting in the forth coming issue of Mormon Historical Studies. Though they have beat you to the punch line, it will be interesting to see if they all come to the same conclusion.


They seem obsessed that they have "beaten me to the punch" when they haven't even released anything yet. Also, I've been working on this since last year and my article is almost 200 pages long (with notes).

And I'll give a teaser here, the handwriting on the document as I've identified, belongs to John & Christian Whitmer.
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grindael wrote:And I'll give a teaser here, the handwriting on the document as I've identified, belongs to John & Christian Whitmer.

Again, this is all very fascinating.

Are you at liberty to say who owned the Caractors document when the Hicks negatives were made?
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It was either David or John Whitmer. I believe it was John and I have some evidence to prove that. It's from a source that Dan Vogel thinks is unreliable though, but I don't think the part of his statement that I use is.
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Very Cool! I look forward to your paper.

Is this photo cropped, or is there just the beginning of the 3 lines available?

"The Book of... Generation... Adam..." Do you think that relates to the "translation" of the caractors? What immediately springs to mind is the discussion of generations from Adam to Noah contained in the Lectures on Faith that were, If I recall correctly, based on lectures to the School of the Prophets.

I have lots of questions, but I will await your paper before pestering you.
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Spanner wrote:Very Cool! I look forward to your paper.

Is this photo cropped, or is there just the beginning of the 3 lines available?

"The Book of... Generation... Adam..." Do you think that relates to the "translation" of the caractors? What immediately springs to mind is the discussion of generations from Adam to Noah contained in the Lectures on Faith that were, If I recall correctly, based on lectures to the School of the Prophets.

I have lots of questions, but I will await your paper before pestering you.


It's from the Book of Moses. The photo is not cropped, the page was folded. The phrase (or title actually) is "The Book of the Generations of Adam". And it's not a translation of the Book of Mormon characters.
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grindael wrote:It's from the Book of Moses. The photo is not cropped, the page was folded. The phrase (or title actually) is "The Book of the Generations of Adam". And it's not a translation of the Book of Mormon characters.

Does that mean the Book of Moses was originally written in "Reformed Egyptian"? Like the Book of Mormon?
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The Erotic Apologist wrote:
grindael wrote:It's from the Book of Moses. The photo is not cropped, the page was folded. The phrase (or title actually) is "The Book of the Generations of Adam". And it's not a translation of the Book of Mormon characters.

Does that mean the Book of Moses was originally written in "Reformed Egyptian"? Like the Book of Mormon?


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