The Tanners, their Website and the LDS Church

[_subgenius]

The Salvation Army? And the scores of compassion ministries and small inner city churches and missions. Catholic Charities? Help the Children? Samaritan’s Purse? Compassion International? legacy world Mission? etc...etc...

These are all wonderful organizations doing much good in the world. They deserve praise. The Salvation Army and Catholic Charities alone, touch the lives of many millions every year.

yes, and i have borne witness to the fact that Catholic Charities has seen their operating capital depleted in recent times due to this 'touching'.

[_moksha]

yes, and i have borne witness to the fact that Catholic Charities has seen their operating capital depleted in recent times due to this 'touching'.

Are you referring to those pedophile scandals involving priests? Thought they were mostly parish related rather than to service groups like Catholic Charities. Still that could have been a cause for less giving.

Well then, that is another plus for us LDS because we are made of sterner oblivious matter to such indiscretions. We will continue to give.

[_Quasimodo]

yes, and i have borne witness to the fact that Catholic Charities has seen their operating capital depleted in recent times due to this 'touching'.

Are you referring to those pedophile scandals involving priests? Thought they were mostly parish related rather than to service groups like Catholic Charities. Still that could have been a cause for less giving.

Well then, that is another plus for us LDS because we are made of sterner oblivious matter to such indiscretions. We will continue to give.

As always, moksha, you are quite right. What are a few sexual indiscretions when there are business to be run, farms to be managed and malls to build?

Some people just don't understand what is really important.

[_moksha]

Two other positive items neglected by the Tanners in the portrayal of Mormons:

1. Mormons are relatively well educated.

2. Mormons make judicious use of high factor sunblock in the summer and during ski season.

[_ludwigm]

Two other positive items neglected by the Tanners in the portrayal of Mormons:
1. Mormons are relatively well educated.
...

Compared to who?
Where?

I should explain a little...

As a teacher for life, I've learned to adjudge people. OK, many times I have prejudices - he that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at me...

In Hungary, most of the members' education level is below the national average. I was investigator for six years (Guinness?), talked with many, listened many "teaching", have friends among them - I know them.

[_moksha]

In Hungary, most of the members' education level is below the national average.

Ludwigm, any speculations as to why these Hungarian members are below the national average?

[_ludwigm]

In Hungary, most of the members' education level is below the national average.

Ludwigm, any speculations as to why these Hungarian members are below the national average?

I have one tip... People of higher education don't buy the merchandize offered by the missionaries.
I may err.

As in every statistical data, there are deviations.
I found the more educated ones mainly among the second generation members.
For example the bishop in the ward of my wife is a biologist. (see viewtopic.php?p=634576#p634576)

[_Mittens]

Two other positive items neglected by the Tanners in the portrayal of Mormons:

1. Mormons are relatively well educated.

2. Mormons make judicious use of high factor sunblock in the summer and during ski season.

http://mormonquotes.com/Racism

Because of there white and delightsome skin

[_Jutta]

Here you have a religion representing goodness but with fibs, while in the opposite corner you have this angry couple and their bookstore disseminating reports of what actually happened in that religion, but with an inglorious twist.

I can understand well how the Tanners had felt after they had to recognize all the lies of the LDS.
When I recognized at that time as the LDS had lied very much about doctrine and history of the church, caved in for me a world. I had given this church 10% of my gross salary over decades. I gave this church all my time my attention and my whole love. I wanted to be baptized once more shortly after my excommunication because of transsexualism. I wanted to end my transition first and then be baptized. But when I read all this at that time; what historians, former members (not the Tanners) and clergywomen had written (for example in a book about the LDS temple rituals which were written down word-for-word); I did not want this any more.
Sandra Tanner does a good work. What I, however, find fault at her with is anxious that she looks at everything out from a fundamentalist Christian point of view. So LGBT people are not Christian for her (the opposite is often the case).

[_Jutta]

Did you know that Mormons have a very low incidence of members perpetrating violent crimes after 1860, yet the Tanners failed to note that in all their articles about the LDS Church. Very telling in its omission.

Do you only relate this to the USA or worldwide?
Here some of Mormons which have made themselves punishable in Germany:

The WABAG-Afäire:

Members of Bavaria had sold something to other members which was illegal. The perpetrators, among this bishops and a former stake president, were sentenced. Here one link in German to it:

http://www.mormonentum.de/gedanken/wabag.html

And here another link:

http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-16525384.html

The Talea case

A five-year-old girl who died it was so very maltreated by her foster mother (a member of the church). Everything happened in Wuppertal. Here a German link to this case :

http://www.carechild.de/news/aktuelle_n ... 70_81.html

This woman by the way was sentenced to eight years. Nobody in the church, also not her husband shall allegedly have noticed something.

And for the end a case of which I had personally knowledge by a father; whose child was touched immorally by a priesthood leader. In the Hanover Stake a former member lived, which told me this story. It is simply disgusting !!!!
The councelor of a bishop had touched several boys immorally. The son of my acquaintance told it to his father. This one wanted to show the perpetrator with the police. Nobody wanted to testify against this man. The boys might not and bishop and members did not want. It was all about protecting the "good reputation" of the church. My acquaintance threatened to go to the police himself if the bishop would do nothing. The bishop did something, he notified the authorities of these occurrences. The man was sentenced (suspended sentence) which means; that he does not have to prison because it is first sentence.
This story still has a supplement.
While the perpetrator was not excommunicated; was my acquaintance excommunicated. Because of adultery. Notice: Adultery is worse than child abuse in the LDS.

Three cases from Germany from the last three decades.