The Book of Mormon contridicts Mormonism

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Re: The Book of Mormon contridicts Mormonism

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Mittens wrote:These are but quotes from Mormonism a diabolical man made religion

I agree, there is that which is "diabolical" about man. And all religions are man-made. There is also that which Is Divine about man, and all religions are man-made....
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Here is the biggest contradiction within the LDS Scriptures:

Jacob 2:

[23] But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son.

[24] Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.

[25] Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.

[26] Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.

[27] Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;

[28] For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.




Doctrine and Covenants Section 132:

1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines—

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38 David also received many wives and concubines, and also Solomon and Moses my servants, as also many others of my servants, from the beginning of creation until this time; and in nothing did they sin save in those things which they received not of me.

39 David's wives and concubines were given unto him of me, by the hand of Nathan, my servant, and others of the prophets who had the keys of this power; and in none of these things did he sin against me save in the case of Uriah and his wife; and, therefore he hath fallen from his exaltation, and received his portion; and he shall not inherit them out of the world, for I gave them unto another, saith the Lord.

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61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.
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Brackbite, you don't get credit because you failed to fully quote the verses involved and as a result provided a distorted comparison. That was very naughty of you.
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Mittens wrote:Scripture is God-breathed



Could we assume a heavy use of garlic in Mediterranean based scripture breathing?

Never considered it before, but I wonder if the Elder Edda had more than a hint of herring?
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Quasimodo wrote:
Mittens wrote:These are but quotes from Mormonism a diabolical man made religion


I think the question may be if all religions are man made religions. There are many contradictions in the Bible, as well. I know you have faith in your own religion, but faith and knowledge are two different things.

I know how easy it is to find fault in Mormonism. It's also easy to find fault in Christianity as well. One indoctrinated believer doesn't sound much different to any other indoctrinated believer to me.

What is wrong with the Bible?
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LittleNipper wrote:What is wrong with the Bible?


There is nothing wrong with the Bible if you're reading it as a compilation of stories from a range of times and peoples.

If you're reading it as the revealed word of God (I don't think it actually says that anywhere) then it has some problems. There are hundreds of instances where the Bible contradicts itself. You don't want me to list them all, do you? They are quite easy to Google.
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Quasimodo wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:What is wrong with the Bible?


There is nothing wrong with the Bible if you're reading it as a compilation of stories from a range of times and peoples.

If you're reading it as the revealed word of God (I don't think it actually says that anywhere) then it has some problems. There are hundreds of instances where the Bible contradicts itself. You don't want me to list them all, do you? They are quite easy to Google.

You may wish to consider the following: http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-God-Word.html
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LittleNipper wrote:You may wish to consider the following: http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-God-Word.html


There are also external evidences that indicate the Bible is truly the Word of God. One is the historicity of the Bible. Because the Bible details historical events, its truthfulness and accuracy are subject to verification like any other historical document. Through both archaeological evidences and other writings, the historical accounts of the Bible have been proven time and time again to be accurate and true. In fact, all the archaeological and manuscript evidence supporting the Bible makes it the best-documented book from the ancient world. The fact that the Bible accurately and truthfully records historically verifiable events is a great indication of its truthfulness when dealing with religious subjects and doctrines and helps substantiate its claim to be the very Word of God.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-God-W ... z2gOBYhI8s


Because it's historically accurate, supports that it's from God....seriously?

And this...
One of the first internal evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word is seen in its unity. Even though it is really sixty-six individual books, written on three continents, in three different languages, over a period of approximately 1500 years, by more than 40 authors who came from many walks of life, the Bible remains one unified book from beginning to end without contradiction.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-God-W ... z2gOCkzUob


Without contradiction....really?
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Tobin wrote:Brackbite, you don't get credit because you failed to fully quote the verses involved and as a result provided a distorted comparison. That was very naughty of you.


I have dealt with Jacob 2:30 before here.

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Tobin wrote:Brackbite, you don't get credit because you failed to fully quote the verses involved and as a result provided a distorted comparison. That was very naughty of you.


Here is basically an old Post of mine on the subject of the practice of polygamy among Kings David and Solomon originally from the FAIR/MADD Board:

Even If Jacob 2:30 does allow for the plausibility of Plural Marriage (which I really don't believe that it does), Jacob Chapter 2 would still be in contradiction with Doctrine and Covenants Section 132. Here is Jacob 2:23-24:

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23 But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son.
24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.



Now here is Doctrine and Covenants 132:1 & 38-39:

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1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines—
38 David also received many wives and concubines, and also Solomon and Moses my servants, as also many others of my servants, from the beginning of creation until this time; and in nothing did they sin save in those things which they received not of me.
39 David's wives and concubines were given unto him of me, by the hand of Nathan, my servant, and others of the prophets who had the keys of this power; and in none of these things did he sin against me save in the case of Uriah and his wife; and, therefore he hath fallen from his exaltation, and received his portion; and he shall not inherit them out of the world, for I gave them unto another, saith the Lord.



Jacob 2:24 states that King David having many wives and concubines was abominable before the Lord God.
Doctrine and Covenants 132:1 & 38-39 states that King David received all of his wives and concubines except for the wife of Uriah. Doctrine and Covenants 132:39 states that David only received one wife, which was a sin before the Lord God. Remember that Jacob 2:24 states that David had many wives and concubines which were abominable before the Lord God.
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