The Apostle Paul sure didn't teach Mormonism

[_LittleNipper]

LittleNipper:

Fine with me. Believe what ever you want. Show me what you do, and I'll know what you believe. For faith without works is dead, and The devils believe yet tremble.

I believe the Bible is the inspired WORD of GOD. This is the work God instills within every Christian as they learn to walk with GOD which is also a work imparted by faith. You are correct faith without works is truly dead. However works without faith are worthless and without value. First comes faith by way of the Holy Spirit and then follow spiritual works.

Display faith and I will show you faith at work. Display works and I will show you man's endeavors.

[_The CCC]

LittleNipper:

Fine with me. Believe what ever you want. Show me what you do, and I'll know what you believe. For faith without works is dead, and The devils believe yet tremble.

I believe the Bible is the inspired WORD of GOD. This is the work God instills within every Christian as they learn to walk with GOD which is also a work imparted by faith. You are correct faith without works is truly dead. However works without faith are worthless and without value. First comes faith by way of the Holy Spirit and then follow spiritual works.

Display faith and I will show you faith at work. Display works and I will show you man's endeavors.

So do the LDS.
We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
SEE Articles of Faith # 8

It is both sides of the same coin. One without the other is impossible. The LDS believe that they are saved by Grace. However you have to do something in order to take advantage of that Grace. You can't be a bump on a log and expect to take advantage of the Grace that is offered.

Better yet.
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
SEE James 2:18

[_LittleNipper]

So do the LDS.
We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
SEE Articles of Faith # 8

It is both sides of the same coin. One without the other is impossible. The LDS believe that they are saved by Grace. However you have to do something in order to take advantage of that Grace. You can't be a bump on a log and expect to take advantage of the Grace that is offered.

Better yet.
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
SEE James 2:18

It is difficult to prove the dynamic of one’s faith without works. “Show” means demonstrate/exhibit. How can anyone display their faith except by their actions? We manifest, prove and evidence faith by works. God justified us (Ro 8:33) meritoriously by Christ (Ro 3:21-25) mediated by faith in His finished work (Ro 5:1) and verified by works. Our works are not the basis of our justification but the demonstration of it. The plant produces flowers but the plant existed before the flowers. James says that faith produces works. Faith is more than an academic exercise. It rests in God’s promises and provisions.

I believe that Jesus promotes the acceptance of the Flood. Many do not believe that Flood occurred, far less that it was World Wide. Yet Jesus, in the New Testament, upholds the Old Testament narrative --- against all scientific consideration to the contrary. Jesus fulfills the Bible perfectly; however, how can that be known to anyone except the Bible be under God's full protection against error.

[_The CCC]

It is difficult to prove the dynamic of one’s faith without works. “Show” means demonstrate/exhibit. How can anyone display their faith except by their actions? We manifest, prove and evidence faith by works. God justified us (Ro 8:33) meritoriously by Christ (Ro 3:21-25) mediated by faith in His finished work (Ro 5:1) and verified by works. Our works are not the basis of our justification but the demonstration of it. The plant produces flowers but the plant existed before the flowers. James says that faith produces works. Faith is more than an academic exercise. It rests in God’s promises and provisions.

I believe that Jesus promotes the acceptance of the Flood. Many do not believe that Flood occurred, far less that it was World Wide. Yet Jesus, in the New Testament, upholds the Old Testament narrative --- against all scientific consideration to the contrary. Jesus fulfills the Bible perfectly; however, how can that be known to anyone except the Bible be under God's full protection against error.[/quote]

Jesus was all about actions combined with faith. what was the difference between the fig tree that produced fruit and the one that didn't? Did either have faith? "Prove me now therewith" seems to me more than just a passive acceptance. Also The Sermon Mount is one of actions not one of just belief/faith. For faith without works is truly dead. What separated the sheep from the goats? It was what they did. Not just some claim to faith.

I don't believe that a worldwide flood during the time of Noah was even possible.

The whole story can be dismissed as a series of supernatural miracles. There is no way to contradict such an argument. However, one must wonder about a God who reportedly does one thing and then arranges every bit of evidence to make it look like something else happened. It's entirely possible that a global flood occurred 4000 years ago or even last Thursday, and that God subsequently erased all the evidence, including our memories of it. But even if such stories are true, what's the point?
SEE SEE http://talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

For just some of the reasons to reject a global flood.
SEE http://talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

I have no problem with Noah being a prophet of God and accurately recording what he actually saw. A massive albeit regional flood.

Jesus also appears to present a flat earth for his followers. Can I go onto a tall mountain any where on earth and see all the nations of the earth? Remember that in science you can't appeal to any God or Godlike force to substantiate your claims.

Here you are using one of the most scientifically advanced instruments ever developed by man. Yet you want to go with just the Bible. How many witches have you at your church burned at the stake?

[_LittleNipper]

Jesus was all about actions combined with faith. what was the difference between the fig tree that produced fruit and the one that didn't? Did either have faith? "Prove me now therewith" seems to me more than just a passive acceptance. Also The Sermon Mount is one of actions not one of just belief/faith. For faith without works is truly dead. What separated the sheep from the goats? It was what they did. Not just some claim to faith.

I don't believe that a worldwide flood during the time of Noah was even possible.

The whole story can be dismissed as a series of supernatural miracles. There is no way to contradict such an argument. However, one must wonder about a God who reportedly does one thing and then arranges every bit of evidence to make it look like something else happened. It's entirely possible that a global flood occurred 4000 years ago or even last Thursday, and that God subsequently erased all the evidence, including our memories of it. But even if such stories are true, what's the point?
SEE SEE http://talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

For just some of the reasons to reject a global flood.
SEE http://talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

I have no problem with Noah being a prophet of God and accurately recording what he actually saw. A massive albeit regional flood.

Jesus also appears to present a flat earth for his followers. Can I go onto a tall mountain any where on earth and see all the nations of the earth? Remember that in science you can't appeal to any God or Godlike force to substantiate your claims.

Here you are using one of the most scientifically advanced instruments ever developed by man. Yet you want to go with just the Bible. How many witches have you at your church burned at the stake?

Please see: http://www.gotquestions.org/global-flood.html

Jesus is the founder of Science. Without GOD there is no science. The Bible doesn't say that Jesus could see the whole earth from the high mountain. What is said is that the Jesus was shown all the kingdoms of the earth in all their glory.

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”

Now I don't know about you, but I have been to the top of a mountain. and it is hard to see much of anything besides trees. But what a high mountain offers is seclusion and privacy. And frankly, I believe Satan conjured up images of the all the various kingdoms of the entire planet and ran them by Jesus. I mean I could do that today, using a laptop. I'm sure Satan has far more abilities than you might give him credit for. Neither the church I attend nor I have burned any witches ---- much less murdered an entire wagon train full of settlers.

I believe GOD is ALL powerful. I really do not hold the intelligence of men in the same regard as GOD's abilities. Where man says impossible ---- with GOD all things are possible. GOD is not bound by science nor nature. He is the MASTER of ALL! Satan is all about distorting, confusing and mixing everything into shades of gray and I feel he has a hand in manipulating data in an effort to disguise the truth and promote lies. Give me one good reason that Satan would not do this. Let's face facts. In Matthew Chapter 4 ---- the one you brought up ---- Satan is attempting the very same thing with Jesus Christ.

If Satan would attempt such a thing with the Messiah, what on this planet makes you imagine he could not pull the wool over the eyes of those who disregard the Bible. Are they wiser?

[_The CCC]

Jesus was all about actions combined with faith. what was the difference between the fig tree that produced fruit and the one that didn't? Did either have faith? "Prove me now therewith" seems to me more than just a passive acceptance. Also The Sermon Mount is one of actions not one of just belief/faith. For faith without works is truly dead. What separated the sheep from the goats? It was what they did. Not just some claim to faith.

I don't believe that a worldwide flood during the time of Noah was even possible.

The whole story can be dismissed as a series of supernatural miracles. There is no way to contradict such an argument. However, one must wonder about a God who reportedly does one thing and then arranges every bit of evidence to make it look like something else happened. It's entirely possible that a global flood occurred 4000 years ago or even last Thursday, and that God subsequently erased all the evidence, including our memories of it. But even if such stories are true, what's the point?
SEE SEE http://talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

For just some of the reasons to reject a global flood.
SEE http://talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

I have no problem with Noah being a prophet of God and accurately recording what he actually saw. A massive albeit regional flood.

Jesus also appears to present a flat earth for his followers. Can I go onto a tall mountain any where on earth and see all the nations of the earth? Remember that in science you can't appeal to any God or Godlike force to substantiate your claims.

Here you are using one of the most scientifically advanced instruments ever developed by man. Yet you want to go with just the Bible. How many witches have you at your church burned at the stake?

Please see: http://www.gotquestions.org/global-flood.html

Jesus is the founder of Science. Without GOD there is no science. The Bible doesn't say that Jesus could see the whole earth from the high mountain. What is said is that the Jesus was shown all the kingdoms of the earth in all their glory.

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”

Now I don't know about you, but I have been to the top of a mountain. and it is hard to see much of anything besides trees. But what a high mountain offers is seclusion and privacy. And frankly, I believe Satan conjured up images of the all the various kingdoms of the entire planet and ran them by Jesus. I mean I could do that today, using a laptop. I'm sure Satan has far more abilities than you might give him credit for. Neither the church I attend nor I have burned any witches ---- much less murdered an entire wagon train full of settlers.

I believe GOD is ALL powerful. I really do not hold the intelligence of men in the same regard as GOD's abilities. Where man says impossible ---- with GOD all things are possible. GOD is not bound by science nor nature. He is the MASTER of ALL! Satan is all about distorting, confusing and mixing everything into shades of gray and I feel he has a hand in manipulating data in an effort to disguise the truth and promote lies. Give me one good reason that Satan would not do this. Let's face facts. In Matthew Chapter 4 ---- the one you brought up ---- Satan is attempting the very same thing with Jesus Christ.

If Satan would attempt such a thing with the Messiah, what on this planet makes you imagine he could not pull the wool over the eyes of those who disregard the Bible. Are they wiser?

In science you can't use any God of Godlike force to demonstrate your hypothesis.
SEE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJpYUxRL_3U

In other words Can your God make a rock so large he can't lift it.

[_LittleNipper]

In science you can't use any God of Godlike force to demonstrate your hypothesis.
SEE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJpYUxRL_3U

In other words Can your God make a rock so large he can't lift it.

Can God sin? Can God turn stones to bread? It is obvious that there are things God simply would never do. It seems odd to me that somewhere, at sometime, someone decided that they would define science to their own advantage. The problem is that truth seldom follows man made rules.

[_The CCC]

In science you can't use any God of Godlike force to demonstrate your hypothesis.
SEE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJpYUxRL_3U

In other words Can your God make a rock so large he can't lift it.

Can God sin? Can God turn stones to bread? It is obvious that there are things God simply would never do. It seems odd to me that somewhere, at sometime, someone decided that they would define science to their own advantage. The problem is that truth seldom follows man made rules.

Yes God can sin, but to do so would make him not God. Yes, but their rather hard on the teeth. As has been explained to you to be science it must make testable claims. God and Godlike forces are not testable, because ANY outcome is attributed to God.
SEE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysecinv367w

Surely, God could have caused birds to fly with their bones made of solid gold, with their veins full of quicksilver, with their flesh heavier than lead, and with their wings exceedingly small. He did not, and that ought to show something. It is only in order to shield your ignorance that you put the Lord at every turn to the refuge of a miracle.
Galileo

[_LittleNipper]

Can God sin? Can God turn stones to bread? It is obvious that there are things God simply would never do. It seems odd to me that somewhere, at sometime, someone decided that they would define science to their own advantage. The problem is that truth seldom follows man made rules.

Yes God can sin, but to do so would make him not God. Yes, but their rather hard on the teeth. As has been explained to you to be science it must make testable claims. God and Godlike forces are not testable, because ANY outcome is attributed to God.
SEE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysecinv367w

Surely, God could have caused birds to fly with their bones made of solid gold, with their veins full of quicksilver, with their flesh heavier than lead, and with their wings exceedingly small. He did not, and that ought to show something. It is only in order to shield your ignorance that you put the Lord at every turn to the refuge of a miracle.
Galileo

Proverbs 3:5
New International Version
Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; God designed nature. Nature does not manipulate GOD. GOD cannot sin because HE is GOD. God didn't become GOD nor remain GOD by means of HIS actions. HIS actions are the result of HIS PERFECTION.

[_The CCC]

Of course he can sin. God doesn't give up his agency. He chooses just like you and I.

Does a designer violate his own design? God follows his own rules. If God chooses by his own actions to become sinful. Is he still God? He is perfect, but perfection can not violate agency.