Mittens wrote: Where are these exclusive LDS teachings found in the Book of Mormon ?
...(snip)...
to be accurate (I know, you have no interest in that) many of your listed points are not "exclusive" for example "We were all pre-existent spirits" could easily be interpreted from Jeremiah 1:5 or "Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers" could easily be interpreted from Isaiah 14:12 or "Blacks were cursed with a dark skin" could easily be interpreted from Genesis 4:15 (as did every American Protestant denomination up to the 20th century)
and so on
So, it may be useful for you to distinguish as such since the Book of Mormon blatantly promotes itself as "another" testimony, etc.
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subgenius wrote:"Blacks were cursed with a dark skin" could easily be interpreted from Genesis 4:15 (as did every American Protestant denomination up to the 20th century)
This is about as credible as your holocaust denial, Subby. I know you don't care about accuracy.
The Lectures on Faith were discarded because Smith couldn't get his godhead straight. Probably because he was too distracted by his own second head. So don't look for a coherent model of Jesus in Mormonism. It isn't there. Some Mormons are happy to live with huge lapses of logic and blinders on to avoid looking at the yawning gaps in their theology. Others not so much. And so the LDS are falling behind the SDAs, who are equally incoherent but less focused on trivialities and exclusion and less burdened by a parasitic elite of professional priesthood who hide their generous compensation with lies about being lay clergy. We cannot read the "sealed book" of church accounts, because there are things to hide.
LittleNipper wrote:One has miracles and magic. Jesus never performed magic. Jesus performed miracles. Miracles usually uplift the one the miracle happens to. Magic generally puts the spotlight on the magician and not the one being cut in half and reassembled.
So you know everything Jesus ever did? That must make you God. Or is it GOD?
We don't know everything that Jesus did (how could we?), and frankly He calls himself God. He is the Great I AM. The Pharisees and Sadducees hated that Jesus used this terminology as it equated Him with God. Read the book of John that I just went through. It is IMPOSSIBLE to know everything GOD ever did, and anyone who thinks it's possible is foolish indeed!
What I say is that Jesus performed miracles and not magic. Jesus created nature --- so that would make Him supernatural. I really don't know why all this seem to go over your head, unless you are profoundly lost, or just trying to turn the crank. But I'm attempting to bring you knowledge of the Good News ! That is all I can do... Perhaps one day you will see the light (most obvious to a Christian)!
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
Maksutov wrote:So you know everything Jesus ever did? That must make you God. Or is it GOD?
We don't know everything that Jesus did (how could we?), and frankly He calls himself God. He is the Great I AM. The Pharisees and Sadducees hated that Jesus used this terminology as it equated Him with God. Read the book of John that I just went through. It is IMPOSSIBLE to know everything GOD ever did, and anyone who thinks it's possible is foolish indeed!
What I say is that Jesus performed miracles and not magic. Jesus created nature --- so that would make Him supernatural. I really don't know why all this seem to go over your head, unless you are profoundly lost, or just trying to turn the crank. But I'm attempting to bring you knowledge of the Good News ! That is all I can do... Perhaps one day you will see the light (most obvious to a Christian)!
Too bad that so much of the "Good News" is "Fake News". You're still running from the fact that your scriptures are full of forgeries, so your theological parsing of events that never happened convinces no one but those who already believe.
Jesus was a cult leader who managed to have some of his followers invade and infiltrate one of the ancient world's military superpowers. But your days of conquest are over. Muslims are breeding faster than Christians. Time for the Christians to go polygamist!
Mittens wrote: Where are these exclusive LDS teachings found in the Book of Mormon ?
...(snip)...
to be accurate (I know, you have no interest in that) many of your listed points are not "exclusive" for example "We were all pre-existent spirits" could easily be interpreted from Jeremiah 1:5 or "Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers" could easily be interpreted from Isaiah 14:12 or "Blacks were cursed with a dark skin" could easily be interpreted from Genesis 4:15 (as did every American Protestant denomination up to the 20th century)
and so on
So, it may be useful for you to distinguish as such since the Book of Mormon blatantly promotes itself as "another" testimony, etc.
You prove my point not one of these are coming from The Book of Mormon
Justice = Getting what you deserve Mercy = Not getting what you deserve Grace = Getting what you can never deserve
LittleNipper wrote: Too bad that so much of the "Good News" is "Fake News". You're still running from the fact that your scriptures are full of forgeries, so your theological parsing of events that never happened convinces no one but those who already believe.
Jesus was a cult leader who managed to have some of his followers invade and infiltrate one of the ancient world's military superpowers. But your days of conquest are over. Muslims are breeding faster than Christians. Time for the Christians to go polygamist!
You want to believe that the Bible is a forgery because of the Book of Mormon and because you don't want to accept that you are a sinful being needing salvation. You'd much rather believe that you are okay and there is nothing to fear if only God would go away and leave you alone...
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
You have it wrong. God could save anyone He wished to. He save for example Enoch and Noah. Neither of these men were either Hebrew or Jewish. When did Jacob's son Joseph visit the temple? As for setting the captives free. Lazarus was saved and yet he had no money to pay for anything. The rich man didn't make it to heaven and yet one would suppose he had every means at his disposal to appease God and appears to have been fully a Jew...
When an individual died prior to the resurrection of Jesus Christ and they were a "SAVED INDIVIDUAL," they would go to Jacob's bosom --- Paradise. The one man crucified with Jesus way promised he would go there. Paradise was not heaven, it was a waiting station. Heaven was no prepared to receive believers and Jesus needed to fulfill the requirements necessary for man to come into the presence of God the Father. When Jesus arose from the dead and ascended into heaven he freed all those waiting in PAradise and hell (the abode of those departed awaiting judgment) took over the portion that had been Paradise, as Paradise had been emptied.
So I am very aware that there are various thoughts on this; however, biblically speaking these are my thoughts. God saved whoever placed their trust in Him. The temple and the nation of Israel was to be an illustration to the world of GOD. The sacrifices were to illustrate what Christ would perfectly accomplish in his perfect timing. The Laws demonstrated to the people that it was impossible to please GOD by doing good because they were incapable of keeping the Law to perfection. The nation of Israel messed up over and over again.
I hope this points you in the correct direction...
I know you don't care about accuracy.
So don't look for a coherent model of Jesus in Mormonism. It isn't there. Some Mormons are happy to live with huge lapses of logic and blinders on to avoid looking at the yawning gaps in their theology. Others not so much. 