Mormonism's Sabbath Day

[_sass74139]

Hi everyone,

I think the interesting thing about the LDS sabbath day is that they believe that God commanded them to worship on Sunday. (According to Doctrine and Covenants 59). The passage mentions "the Lord's day" and "my holy day". I struggle to find how this was interpreted to mean the first day as no where in the Bible is " my holy day" used in reference to anything but the seventh day of the week. And although the Lord's day has generally been attributed to the first day of the week, the Bible at least does not give that interpretation. In fact it is used in reference to seventh day of the week a number times.

Joseph Smith originally kept the Sabbath on the seventh day of the week. Which is perhaps why there was a need for a definitive day.

I also don't want to sound like I am condemning anyone who does not observe the seventh day sabbath. I believe that God will accept your service of love on any day of the week. But if the LDS' claim to be the true church of God then there is one major requirement: "the saints are those who keep my commandments" - Rev. 14:12

I believe that this means all 10 commandments including the 4th. The LDS claim that God has changed his laws (polygamy, Sabbath day, ...) but God says that "My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips." Psalms 89:34. Does this sound like God would ever change his mind? According to LDS beliefs God is liar.

Again, this thread was meant to debate whether or not Joseph Smith and the Mormon's claims are to be believed. Not to accuse people of breaking the Sabbath

[_sass74139]

Hi sass.
Do you eat shrimp?
Do you mix fabrics?
Do you cut your hair at the corners of your head?

The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.


But at the end of the day, God of the Bible is as man made as Thor, so who cares.

Hi,

I do not eat shrimp as there are dietary recommendations found in the Bible such as not to eat meat at all or to only eat certain kinds of meat. The mixing of fabrics and cutting of hair does not apply to me I do not believe.

[_I have a question]

Tony Finau is a professional golfer and a Mormon. He works on the Sabbath, is he breaking it?

[_SteelHead]

Hi sass.
Do you eat shrimp?
Do you mix fabrics?
Do you cut your hair at the corners of your head?

The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.


But at the end of the day, God of the Bible is as man made as Thor, so who cares.

Hi,

I do not eat shrimp as there are dietary recommendations found in the Bible such as not to eat meat at all or to only eat certain kinds of meat. The mixing of fabrics and cutting of hair does not apply to me I do not believe.

Do you pick and choose which biblical injunctions you follow?

Lev 19:27 KJV

Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

Duet 22:11 KJV

Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

[_moksha]

I do not eat shrimp as there are dietary recommendations found in the Bible such as not to eat meat at all or to only eat certain kinds of meat. The mixing of fabrics and cutting of hair does not apply to me I do not believe.

The Jewish Kashruth dietary laws would be a no go for me with pizza being non-kosher. Pretty sure God intended for Mozzarella cheese to be eaten with Canadian bacon and pineapple, as well as putting yogurt in a chicken masala curry dish. If Jesus Himself were to make an appearance in New Orleans, he would order the crawfish etouffee for lunch - following the Sunday service at the Salvation Army - at some getaway café where He could rub elbows with the publicans and jazz lovers.

[_sass74139]

Tony Finau is a professional golfer and a Mormon. He works on the Sabbath, is he breaking it?

I personally think that the way you keep the Sabbath can be a very individual thing. Some people think you shouldn't work at all some think you can do whatever you want. For me it's just about what I do that makes the day special from others and remembering why I am doing it.

In regards to Tony, I did not know he was a Mormon. I've heard many different beliefs about what one should do on the Sabbath from Mormons. Mormons believe that there are exceptions in regards to how you keep the Sabbath. Since golf is Tony's job then they would most likely say that it's okay since his job requires him to work on Sunday.

[_sass74139]

Do you pick and choose which biblical injunctions you follow?

Lev 19:27 KJV

Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

Duet 22:11 KJV

Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

Hi Steelhead, what I had meant by these not applying to me is that these are for specific people for specific reason. The first from Leviticus is referring to the fact that they would cut off hair from certain parts of their body and offer it as offerings to their idols. I do cut my hair but it is not for the purpose of worshipping idols.

The verse from Deuteronomy is specifically referring to what the priest should wear during their ministry, not what I should wear day to day. Also, because this law was meant for priest and because I believe the Bible says there is no more priesthood on this earth (contrary to what Mormons believe) that there are very few people that should be concerned with this command. Perhaps Mormon priest should be though. (Maybe they are)

[_sass74139]

I do not eat shrimp as there are dietary recommendations found in the Bible such as not to eat meat at all or to only eat certain kinds of meat. The mixing of fabrics and cutting of hair does not apply to me I do not believe.

The Jewish Kashruth dietary laws would be a no go for me with pizza being non-kosher. Pretty sure God intended for Mozzarella cheese to be eaten with Canadian bacon and pineapple, as well as putting yogurt in a chicken masala curry dish. If Jesus Himself were to make an appearance in New Orleans, he would order the crawfish etouffee for lunch - following the Sunday service at the Salvation Army - at some getaway café where He could rub elbows with the publicans and jazz lovers.

Hi Moksha, that's cool, I am vegetarian myself and maybe I missing out on some great flavors but vegetarians also live on average 7-10 years longer (studies vary). So I chose the latter. Of course you can be healthy and still eat meat. I think the laws in regards to the consumption of meat in the Bible are today not applicable to us as the "old law has passed away". (Meaning Levitical Law).

[_SteelHead]

If the Sabbath was one of the signs of Mosaic covenant, and the law is fulfilled in Jesus, why then would sabbath worship be relevant now?

Colossians 2

16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

This is why I think it is funny when various Christian Apologists for the huge set of conflicting christian belief sets show up to bag on Mormonism (In this case I am going to say "7th day Adventist"). They too, have no clothes.

[_sass74139]

If the Sabbath was one of the signs of Mosaic covenant, and the law is fulfilled in Jesus, why then would sabbath worship be relevant now?

Colossians 2

16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

This is why I think it is funny when various Christian Apologists for the huge set of conflicting christian belief sets show up to bag on Mormonism (In this case I am going to say "7th day Adventist"). They too, have no clothes.

The Sabbath was not part of the Law of Moses. The Sabbath existed before man was even created.

Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it.

The 4th commandment is given as a reminder of this. "remember the sabbath day" and it was given as an eternal covenant. The ten commandments were eternal laws that have existed before they were given to Moses on the tablets.

Remember that Jesus was judged for "breaking the Sabbath" by the Pharisees. (Matthew 12:10; Mark 3:2, John 9:14-16). Does the verse in Colossians written by Paul seem to indicate that the Sabbath was abolished? I would say yes. But when we include it with the rest of Bible including Paul's own works, we are given a much different picture. Even without that, a "Sabbath" at the time would have only thought to be associated with the seventh day of the week in Paul's day. So would Paul have been referring to people being judged for keeping a different sabbath day? If someone was keeping a different day, they themselves would have recognized that they were keeping a "Monday" or a "Tuesday" and would not have called those days Sabbath by name.

I agree that we have to be careful when critiquing other religions, as it is easy to be hypocritical, there are certainly many different variations of beliefs based from the same book. But to say that it is funny that Christians debate theology with other Christians or Mormons in this case, would be to say it is funny for scientist to debate scientific theories which they certainly do. Of course scientist use scientific evidence to debate, but we too use archaeology, geology, history etc.. in support of our arguments. What is wrong with trying to further our understanding through debate that is supported through legitimate forms of research and not baseless claims. Of course, there are those who are just out there to bash certain groups of people, but there are those in every place. My best friends are Mormon, we will occasionally have polite debates and then proceed to go out and enjoy a game of golf.

Haha, yes I am Seventh Day Adventist, but I would go to a different church or no church at all if I thought it was more true. The SDA do not claim to be the "true" church of God, as anyone who keep the commandments are part of Christ's church. We also do not believe that if you do not keep the seventh day or do not do other things the same that that does not exclude you. "It is judged according to what a man knoweth, not according to what he knows not." Adventist also believe that all of our 28 fundamental beliefs and doctrines are fallible because they are simply our interpretation. More information and knowledge may cause us to change them later as we are not perfect, we do not know everything and will not know everything until Jesus returns as the Bible makes very clear. (Admittidly, not all SDA are aware of this)