subgenius wrote:Sadly, it does. Once again you reveal that you misunderstand church teachings and the scriptures (see also Gen 2:23-24). see also Old Testament Student Manual Genesis-2 Samuel page 3-12 (available on LDS.org) http://LDS.org/ensign/1987/11/lessons-f ... ry=eve+rib
sadly, your feeble attempt to cherry pick and substitute context has failed you again. see my answer about "symbols" being true.... sadly, your translation is not the same as mine. Unfortunately for you, i take figurative language quite literally...you should learn to distinguish figurative language from "literal" language...i think it might help you understand the scriptures at a level which would enable you to participate in meaningful discussions.
subgenius,
Do you believe that Eve was a real person and that she was literally created by God taking one of Adams literal ribs and using that to literally create her?
Bump because you won't have intentionally missed answering this...
Anyone want to hazard a guess as to why subgenius is avoiding answering this question? (subgenius, feel free to answer)
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
An official chronology bookmark available to buy from the official Church store, clearly showing key dates - including the dates for Adam.
Bad luck old boy....
the date is not "doctrine" and my opinion towards that date has no relevance on my being a member in good standing...and sure has not an issue in my calling as EQP.
So, your point, whatever it may be, is quite meaningless and i am , joyfully, still able to stand by my original claim that the date is not certain.
i can only assume that the *bong* is a reference to the tool of your discernment as opposed to any announcement for revelation. old boy, indeed
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
Do you believe that Eve was a real person and that she was literally created by God taking one of Adams literal ribs and using that to literally create her?
Drifting wrote:Bump because you won't have intentionally missed answering this...
Anyone want to hazard a guess as to why subgenius is avoiding answering this question? (subgenius, feel free to answer)
my guess would be that it is because you are easy to bait?....looky there, i am right! Your question is confusing...please-rephrase into a singular question or questions.
and, please, don't try to rely on the sole citation from BY Journal of Discourses on this topic...you will ultimately have that on a plate too. You should perhaps research the "rib" as translated from Hebrew before you bring your little knife to this gun fight.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
subgenius wrote:my guess would be that it is because you are easy to bait?....looky there, i am right! Your question is confusing...please-rephrase into a singular question or questions.
and, please, don't try to rely on the sole citation from BY Journal of Discourses on this topic...you will ultimately have that on a plate too. You should perhaps research the "rib" as translated from Hebrew before you bring your little knife to this gun fight.
It's a yes/no question. If you don't want to answer it just say so.
"A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows." - Samuel Clemens
The name of the "king" in Facsimile No. 3 of the Book of Abraham is Isis. Yes...that is her name.
subgenius wrote:my guess would be that it is because you are easy to bait?....looky there, i am right! Your question is confusing...please-rephrase into a singular question or questions.
and, please, don't try to rely on the sole citation from BY Journal of Discourses on this topic...you will ultimately have that on a plate too. You should perhaps research the "rib" as translated from Hebrew before you bring your little knife to this gun fight.
That.was.awesome(ly pathetic)....Thanks for providing nothing and making yourself look foolish (as usual). I love that wannabe apologists can't even answer simple questions - it makes me realize how twisted Mormonism really is. Thanks for confirming my testimony in the UN-truthfullness of the LDS social club/"religion"/myopic-mindset...You are a fantastic example of everything that is wrong with the current LDS church. Please continue.
"your reasoning that children should be experimented upon to justify a political agenda..is tantamount to the Nazi justification for experimenting on human beings."-SUBgenius on gay parents "I've stated over and over again on this forum and fully accept that I'm a bigot..." - ldsfaqs
subgenius wrote:Your question is confusing...please-rephrase into a singular question or questions.
Here you go.
1. Do you believe that Eve was a real person?
2. Do you believe that Eve was literally created by God taking one of Adams literal ribs and using that to literally create her?
Answer the questions by, for example, typing a '1' followed immediately by a '.'. Then press the spacebar once. They type either 'yes' or 'no' depending on whether you believe that Eve was a real person. Follow this pattern for the second question. It should look like this, but with your own answers if they're different than what I've typed below:
Do you believe that Eve was a real person and that she was literally created by God taking one of Adams literal ribs and using that to literally create her?...
Yes, Eve was a real person. Yes, she was literally created by God Yes, God created her as He has stated He created her.
Now, have at least display an ounce of credibility and answer the questions asked of you, or be entertained by me no longer.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
Do you believe that Eve was a real person and that she was literally created by God taking one of Adams literal ribs and using that to literally create her?...
Yes, Eve was a real person. Yes, she was literally created by God Yes, God created her as He has stated He created her.
Now, have at least display an ounce of credibility and answer the questions asked of you, or be entertained by me no longer.
Interesting!
So you disagree with the Institute manual where it says the rib store is figurative not literal - as bcspace has pointed out. Good to know.
Modern prophets have taught that the creation of woman from the rib of the man is to be taken figuratively. (See Spencer W. Kimball, Ensign, Mar. 1976, p. 71.)
*LDS.org search topic 'rib'*
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
So you disagree with the Institute manual where it says the rib store is figurative not literal - as bcspace has pointed out. Good to know.
You yourself only found out about this recently and it destroyed one of your chestnuts.
Absolutely correct, I only found out about this when you yourself pointed it out (a fact I gave you full credit for when I have mentioned this several times before). I would also note that 1976 is the earliest mention (that I can find) of this doctrinal position on the rib story. Prior to that I would have been apostate if I had not taken it to be literally true. God may be the same today, yesterday and forever, but the Mormon interpretation of God and what He says and thinks is certainly subject to change without notice.
As for destroying chestnuts, not sure what you mean there. I think what it does is cast doubt on the literalness (is that a word?) of all the other stories in the Bible and the Temple movie. Adding further strength to the opinion that the Flood of Noah was not a literal event.
But as always, when I am shown to be wrong I hold my hands up and accept it. As you know I have done before. Let's see if subgenius can do the same shall we....
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
