sheryl wrote: This kind of spiritual fire destroys everything that is not like it, or rather turns everything into itself. Thus the "preaching" I was advocating is for helping others to become like the fire, or to find their true self within that is like fire, so that when the fire destroys their outer being, knowing themselves as more, they do not die.
You knew what the question was about, that it was a real fire, so your suggestion was really dumb. Now you want to change the question. I am fine with different questions, but the initial question was not about a spiritual fire. If you want people to understand what you mean, you need to be more specific that you are changing things like the initial question. The spiritual fire is meaningless with the initial question, which was who you would decide to pull out of a burning building if you only had time to get one out.
The Kingdom of God (or Church of God) here on earth can not be "burned down". Let's suppose tomorrow that everyone stopped believing in Mormonism. That will not change a thing. God will still return, the world will still burn, and the work that is suppose to happen in the Mormon temples will still happen. It is inevitable. It does not matter what happens right now; what the critics of the Church say or do; or how many they persuade to leave.
Now, I personally wouldn't be upset to see the current version of the Mormon church die. I think it is actually a pretty terrible monster. However, I do not confuse that with the "real" Church of God. There will always be those interested in doing what God wants, seeking him, and meeting together to honor (worship) him. To have that Church is not hard. You can hold meetings in a house. Bread and wine (and yes, I made that clarification - the beliefs of Mormons in this regard are incorrect) are inexpensive so partaking of the sacrament is easy. Expressing one's beliefs at these meetings and sharing in the gospel is also a simple thing. There is no way critics of the Church can stop such activities.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
The Kingdom of God (or Church of God) here on earth can not be "burned down".
That's your belief. I'm fine with that, but we are talking about soemthing else in regards to the question of who you would carry out of a burning building. You can have all the crazy beliefs you want. I suppose since the LDS church is a monster, and you think God is talking to you, even though you never sought after him, you will be starting your own religious movement soon.
Tobin wrote:Themis, The Kingdom of God (or Church of God) here on earth can not be "burned down".
That's your belief. I'm fine with that, but we are talking about soemthing else in regards to the question of who you would carry out of a burning building. You can have all the crazy beliefs you want. I suppose since the LDS church is a monster, and you think God is talking to you, even though you never sought after him, you will be starting your own religious movement soon.
I'm interested in the truth and I think my beliefs about the LDS church have been born-out time and time again. Apostasy and men perverting the ways of the Lord is an on-going problem. The remedy to that is to speak with God and do what God says. If you find that belief "crazy", that is your prerogative. I guess we'll see which of us is correct.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Just how many times in Biblical history did all of the people or even a majority of them follow the Lord the way they should? With all of the support from God by supplying prophets, Kings, and Apostles one might think that the Jews or the Christians would collect around the truth. But just as we are all sinners we are all weak. The world is strong and we do fall. So very few actually read scripture with spiritual eyes and discern the message from God. This is a problem of man and not of any one church. All churches suffer the same fate. They all need to be reset all of the time.
Themis wrote: You knew what the question was about, that it was a real fire, so your suggestion was really dumb. Now you want to change the question. I am fine with different questions, but the initial question was not about a spiritual fire. If you want people to understand what you mean, you need to be more specific that you are changing things like the initial question. The spiritual fire is meaningless with the initial question, which was who you would decide to pull out of a burning building if you only had time to get one out.
I apologize for the confusion. I was addressing the initial question regarding physical fire, only afterwards explaining that physical fire is an image of God's Presence, which will burn away all that is false. The difference being, in God's Presence, in spiritual fire, I don't think we can help one another, by 'preaching' as we could in physical fire! So the 'preaching' I wished to offer in physical fire would be to prepare a soul to be in the Presence of God.
Franktalk wrote:Just how many times in Biblical history did all of the people or even a majority of them follow the Lord the way they should? With all of the support from God by supplying prophets, Kings, and Apostles one might think that the Jews or the Christians would collect around the truth. But just as we are all sinners we are all weak. The world is strong and we do fall. So very few actually read scripture with spiritual eyes and discern the message from God. This is a problem of man and not of any one church. All churches suffer the same fate. They all need to be reset all of the time.
Indeed, Frank. Most of humanity has not evolved so that they might follow the Lord. But God promised there would always be a remnant remaining among us, to assist us, to guide us, to carry forward God's Light in this world for the benefit of all.
sheryl wrote: I apologize for the confusion. I was addressing the initial question regarding physical fire, only afterwards explaining that physical fire is an image of God's Presence, which will burn away all that is false. The difference being, in God's Presence, in spiritual fire, I don't think we can help one another, by 'preaching' as we could in physical fire! So the 'preaching' I wished to offer in physical fire would be to prepare a soul to be in the Presence of God.
Sheryl
You might try using language in the same way everyone else does, thereby creating less confusion. Just a thought.
Franktalk wrote:Just how many times in Biblical history did all of the people or even a majority of them follow the Lord the way they should? With all of the support from God by supplying prophets, Kings, and Apostles one might think that the Jews or the Christians would collect around the truth. But just as we are all sinners we are all weak. The world is strong and we do fall. So very few actually read scripture with spiritual eyes and discern the message from God. This is a problem of man and not of any one church. All churches suffer the same fate. They all need to be reset all of the time.
Indeed, Frank. Most of humanity has not evolved so that they might follow the Lord. But God promised there would always be a remnant remaining among us, to assist us, to guide us, to carry forward God's Light in this world for the benefit of all.
The everyone is wrong if they don't believe my way. I wouldn't suggest you two get together. You may find out how much you really don't agree. Interesting frank uses Biblical history, since the vast majority of history has knowing to do with it, and they have their supernatural beliefs as well. Funny how one's spiritual eye sees differently then anothers spiritual eye.
Franktalk wrote:Many are called to be martyrs today and many more will be called in the not too distance future.
CFR
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