Science proves life after death

[_SPG]

Yes that is your unjustified belief. A belief with no support other then your desire to believe it. Now it is more likely to be wrong and could influence you not to do anything about it because you mistakenly think believe it is correct.

I think I am fairly justified. Perhaps not justified in your cult, but I am not alone in my thinking. Roughly 70% of the people in advanced cultures believe we have a soul. And perhaps less advanced cultures, such as India, Africa, almost a 100% believe in the soul.

Now, while you might think smart people don't believe in the soul, or life after death, that isn't true.

Science doesn't disprove the soul.

Humans are sort of developed into what they are, (their one off from the animals) in the just the past 200,000 years. That is sort of like 0.0016% of the age of the universe. So, somewhere in that other 99.9994% of lifespan of the universe things might have actually developed beyond what humans are and can be? Like, maybe, the galaxies themselves could be alive.

[_Maksutov]

Like, maybe, the galaxies themselves could be alive.

[_Lemmie]

Yes that is your unjustified belief. A belief with no support other then your desire to believe it. Now it is more likely to be wrong and could influence you not to do anything about it because you mistakenly think believe it is correct.

I think I am fairly justified. Perhaps not justified in your cult, but I am not alone in my thinking. Roughly 70% of the people in advanced cultures believe we have a soul. And perhaps less advanced cultures, such as India, Africa, almost a 100% believe in the soul.

So your justification is that lots of people believe, and in cultures less advanced, even more believe. Lots of people believe in UFOs, astrological signs, and Sasquatch. I'm sure the less education people have, the more likely they are to believe in these things.

Are you sure this is the argument you want to make?

[_Maksutov]

I think I am fairly justified. Perhaps not justified in your cult, but I am not alone in my thinking. Roughly 70% of the people in advanced cultures believe we have a soul. And perhaps less advanced cultures, such as India, Africa, almost a 100% believe in the soul.

So your justification is that lots of people believe, and in cultures less advanced, even more believe. Lots of people believe in UFOs, astrological signs, and Sasquatch. I'm sure the less education people have, the more likely they are to believe in these things.

Are you sure this is the argument you want to make?

It appears so. It seems to me that SPG is insisting repeatedly in post after post that he has a right to mysticism. I don't see anyone telling him that he can't believe in all kinds of things, but I don't see what point there is in everyone adopting their own private cult and disappearing into solipsist self-affirmations. Maybe it's a lifestyle choice?

Pseudoscience in the West and the "guru business" in the East are healthy and thriving industries with endless consumer products and forms of marketing. Selling fuzz and feelings has never been more profitable.

SPG might enjoy talking to our friend Franktalk. Both are cowboys of the cosmic, unafraid of those pesky scientists and their silly empiricism. Yeehaw!

[_Themis]

I think I am fairly justified. Perhaps not justified in your cult, but I am not alone in my thinking.

I don't have a cult.

Roughly 70% of the people in advanced cultures believe we have a soul. And perhaps less advanced cultures, such as India, Africa, almost a 100% believe in the soul.

Yes and many of them believe the earth is 6000 years old. Many who believed in a soul also believed the earth was the center of the universe and the earth flat. Belief in a soul comes from times when humans had very little understanding of the universe they lived in.

Now, while you might think smart people don't believe in the soul, or life after death, that isn't true.

Smart people believe and do some really stupid stuff. I remember the terrorist attack in Japan with ricin in the subways trains. One of them was a trained medical doctor who converted to this stupid cult. Some of the terrorists today who believe in after lives go out and kill others in the name of their god have advanced degrees. You agree with me that beliefs have influence, but we see that some beliefs can have very negative influences on the world. Some believe killing others by blowing themselves up will get them many virgins in an afterlife. These beliefs are just as unjustified as some of yours.

Science doesn't disprove the soul.

Science hasn't tried. In fact science has done more to try and see if one exists by just doing good science. So far good evidence is very lacking. Proving something exists is a lot more straight forward then disproving. To disprove you have to start with a well defined thing you think may exists. Souls, afterlives, Gods, etc have never been well defined to even try to disprove. Probably why they are still believed by so many. A lot of the people today who believe in alien encounters would have believed it was demons hundreds of years ago. Is the beliefs drinking the poisoned kool-aid so your spirit could fly up and join the alien-ship following Haley's comet justified?

Humans are sort of developed into what they are, (their one off from the animals) in the just the past 200,000 years. That is sort of like 0.0016% of the age of the universe. So, somewhere in that other 99.9994% of lifespan of the universe things might have actually developed beyond what humans are and can be? Like, maybe, the galaxies themselves could be alive.

As long as we don't kill ourselves off, which I think has decent odds, humans will probably continue to develop. Especially now that we are beginning to be able to change ourselves genetically. Bring on those superpowers

Galaxies being alive is just another unjustified belief that wouldn't fit into how the word is defined by society.

[_SPG]

Galaxies being alive is just another unjustified belief that wouldn't fit into how the word is defined by society.

You do belong to a cult. Cults are just groups of people that follow a particular person or philosophy, or seek a common goal. The most telling element of a cult is the aspect that members think they have some special knowledge, advantage, truth, or salvation that cannot be found outside of themselves. Cults can even be social circles where people thinks they are better than others for some reason or another. While your ideas are mildly unique in terms of world population, your attitude is entirely common.

The galaxies are alive in almost every sense of the word. They grow like a flower might, they have cycles like other living things. They are the engines that support what we think life is. They are part of the ecosystem, a vital part, without which human life probably couldn't exist. Our world can develop a global consciousness, where we act as entire planet, I am sure something similar exists for galaxies.

The arrogance of atheists is no difference then the arrogance of religious people. I have studied science enough to know that we are no more sure of the true age of the world than religious people. Carbon dating isn't as bullet proof as we once thought. Intense radiation does influence the radiological decay of atoms. Gravity does influence time, (as we know it) and so does speed. The galaxy is moving at 515,000 mph (we think), the sun moving 72,000 mph (relatively speaking) and we don't even know what that means in terms of actual time, or if things have changed over the years. Has the black holes at the center of the galaxies somehow shifted time?

Science expects are beginning to sound like the old sages and prophets, that it is all an illusion, one that we don't really understand.

Anyway, your whole, "unjustified beliefs" comments are completely unjustified. You don't know any better then the next dude. And I don't either, but I do believe that universe is more "mystic" then science. Not that it doesn't follow a science, but the true science is still in what we might consider the mystic realm.

Like, to make a high-def image, or high-def video, it takes hundreds of megabits of data, that have to be communicated with brute force and tons of complexity. But nature can convey entire lifelong experiences and memories a few minutes, or even seconds. A simple impression can change a person's life. In the long run, our science isn't much different the caveman discovering he can use a rock as a hammer.

[_Themis]

Galaxies being alive is just another unjustified belief that wouldn't fit into how the word is defined by society.

You do belong to a cult. Cults are just groups of people that follow a particular person or philosophy, or seek a common goal. The most telling element of a cult is the aspect that members think they have some special knowledge, advantage, truth, or salvation that cannot be found outside of themselves. Cults can even be social circles where people thinks they are better than others for some reason or another. While your ideas are mildly unique in terms of world population, your attitude is entirely common.

You know nothing about my attitude or what I think. You demonstrate in almost every post poor assumption after poor assumption about what I think, even though I have corrected over and over again. You need to be more open minded about who you discuss subjects with and putting them inside some nice box you created.

The galaxies are alive in almost every sense of the word. They grow like a flower might, they have cycles like other living things. They are the engines that support what we think life is. They are part of the ecosystem, a vital part, without which human life probably couldn't exist. Our world can develop a global consciousness, where we act as entire planet, I am sure something similar exists for galaxies.

That's not how the normal use of the word alive is defined.

The arrogance of atheists is no difference then the arrogance of religious people. I have studied science enough to know that we are no more sure of the true age of the world than religious people.

Really? You know more then the scientists, but never reference your evidence on showing how scientists have just as inaccurate knowledge on the age of the earth as religion.

Anyway, your whole, "unjustified beliefs" comments are completely unjustified. You don't know any better then the next dude.

I never said I did. Yet again another poor assumption about others they never actually indicated to you. Unjustified beliefs is all about not knowing. I never said souls don't exist, only that the evidence for their existence is currently lacking. I also never said I was atheist as you no doubt have assumed.

[_SPG]

I never said I did. Yet again another poor assumption about others they never actually indicated to you. Unjustified beliefs is all about not knowing. I never said souls don't exist, only that the evidence for their existence is currently lacking. I also never said I was atheist as you no doubt have assumed.

I do make assumptions, I mean, how can it be avoided in this format? I'm not "trying" to put you in a box. But what is the point of having experience if not to use it to fill in the gaps of understanding in a given situation?

So when you called my claims "unjustified" I did assume you thought your claims were justified. In my experience when a person says, "people are stupid" they are excluding themselves from the comment. For give me if I assumed your comments implied that your views were justified. Because that is my experience. People that like to poo-poo creation usually do so with the idea that their ideas are justified.

While I am a more of an engineer, I have worked closely with doctors of sciences over the years. I respect them and their views, but they can be just as stupid and wrong as the next person. Ever day new things are discovered that challenge the current science.

One day, while hiking, a vision opened up before me and I saw there were other worlds around us, that our light didn't interact with them. That our matter and partials passed right through them, and they though us. Shortly there after, the theory as dark matter and dark energy were introduced to us.

One theory of dark matter and dark energy is that during the big bang, the explosion was so hot, 97% of the energy instantly ascended into a higher dimension. The energy is a "quantum leap" beyond us, the electron cycles so tight and fast that essentially, it's almost as if they aren't in our universe.

My point is, while my vision is very different from what many people think of Dark Energy, I had the same basic idea as some the scientists that came up with it, that there is matter and energy here with us, yet beyond us. So, while in the science world, my vision is "unjustified", to me the world spoke to me and showed me something just as cool as what they got. And as I said before, the truth of it will be more mystic than science.

[_LittleNipper]

I think I am fairly justified. Perhaps not justified in your cult, but I am not alone in my thinking.

I don't have a cult.

Roughly 70% of the people in advanced cultures believe we have a soul. And perhaps less advanced cultures, such as India, Africa, almost a 100% believe in the soul.

Yes and many of them believe the earth is 6000 years old. Many who believed in a soul also believed the earth was the center of the universe and the earth flat. Belief in a soul comes from times when humans had very little understanding of the universe they lived in.

Now, while you might think smart people don't believe in the soul, or life after death, that isn't true.

Smart people believe and do some really stupid stuff. I remember the terrorist attack in Japan with ricin in the subways trains. One of them was a trained medical doctor who converted to this stupid cult. Some of the terrorists today who believe in after lives go out and kill others in the name of their god have advanced degrees. You agree with me that beliefs have influence, but we see that some beliefs can have very negative influences on the world. Some believe killing others by blowing themselves up will get them many virgins in an afterlife. These beliefs are just as unjustified as some of yours.

Science doesn't disprove the soul.

Science hasn't tried. In fact science has done more to try and see if one exists by just doing good science. So far good evidence is very lacking. Proving something exists is a lot more straight forward then disproving. To disprove you have to start with a well defined thing you think may exists. Souls, afterlives, Gods, etc have never been well defined to even try to disprove. Probably why they are still believed by so many. A lot of the people today who believe in alien encounters would have believed it was demons hundreds of years ago. Is the beliefs drinking the poisoned kool-aid so your spirit could fly up and join the alien-ship following Haley's comet justified?

Humans are sort of developed into what they are, (their one off from the animals) in the just the past 200,000 years. That is sort of like 0.0016% of the age of the universe. So, somewhere in that other 99.9994% of lifespan of the universe things might have actually developed beyond what humans are and can be? Like, maybe, the galaxies themselves could be alive.

As long as we don't kill ourselves off, which I think has decent odds, humans will probably continue to develop. Especially now that we are beginning to be able to change ourselves genetically. Bring on those superpowers

Galaxies being alive is just another unjustified belief that wouldn't fit into how the word is defined by society.

You cannot prove the earth is not 6000 years old. All one can do is demonstrate that elements like lead seem to possess a halflife if they exist long enough; however, that in no way absolutely proves that the Creator had no reason to CREATE it just that way for a specific reason. In other words, the starting point is what the Creator says it is and not what we perceive it to be.

[_Maksutov]

You cannot prove the earth is not 6000 years old.

Where did you get that figure, Nipper? From the Bible? No. You got it from some semiliterate theologian who knew nothing and cared nothing about the actual age of the Earth. He didn't prove it and neither can you. Neither of you know or care about various dating methods. Neither of you have been credible for centuries.

If you were not a colossal hypocrite, you would live without the benefits of the science you have such contempt for, but then you would have to become Amish. That means you would have to get off your duff and do more for yourself than copy and paste someone else's words and someone else's technology. But, no....

Again we have you up against the many Christians who accept science. We have you failing to do any research, again. We have you relying upon unreliable people--convicts and demonstrated liars and frauds--rather than people of faith who also have obtained educations, again. We have you trying to herd Christians back into the ignorance they have left behind, again.

If people leave and mock religion, it is because of the Little Nippers and the Franklin Grahams and the Ken Hams of the world, trying to shove their Jack Chick cartoon cosmos down our throats...again. You're about a thousand years too late. I recommend you spend your time volunteering at the Ark Park, where you can play Bible dress up and talk nonsense all day.