Free Will

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[_Franktalk]

I have often wondered why we do not have a direct and open connection to God here on the earth. But the details of any answer of course would be just guesswork. But I am sure there is a reason and a good one. I have to think it concerns the spirit which is each of us. I suspect the flesh is designed in such a way for the spirit to play around in a safe environment. The spirit can not be harmed by anything in the universe. So what a great playground for the spirit to learn and grow. Instead of constantly just taking direction we are placed here for the purpose of developing our own strength of faith. But of course the strongest faith comes from people who know them self pretty well. And the people who are close to a spiritual walk have looked beyond the flesh and know them self at a much more fundamental way. In this view free will and the at a distance God makes a lot of sense.

[_Themis]

I said it doesn't matter what concept of god is your premise ... My awnser still stands.

So give us atleast 3 GOOD reasons why god should reveal them selves to be considered far outweighing my one.

Ill wager they can all have holes shot in them due to lack of really thinking them through.

I am not sure why you want three, but I can think of one. It would give people legitimate reasons to believe in God, and not just to believe in God 's existence. One really should know who or what the God's are, and what they may want. Asking for blind faith like religions do is no different then the conman asking you for blind faith. Blind faith is very good for the spiritual experience though. Most will not be able to get their body to create the experience without some belief first. If that fails, things like peyote can really help increase the odds of a great spiritual experience. How again do we know what the body is capable of?

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[_Themis]

Well you just said it yourself there ... The journey is more important than the destination. (Atleast I guess I gleaned it from your statement)
Because what do we do when we reach a destination? We start another journey.
Everything in our lifes is on a time line , without it , we would cease to exist ... atleast in this existence.

Not sure what you are talking about here, or how it relates to the topic.

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[_Themis]

Wondering if god exists is a journey ... knowing if god exists is a destination.

It's not a journey. There are thousands of different ideas about God, what he/she/they want, although they don't give any good reasons to believe that are any different then what the conman offers. All it really tests is to see how gullible one can be in believing without good reason to. In the end I have given what is still a good reason for God to reveal herself , but then we get the blind faith thing as an excuse for why we don't see good reasons for why there is no evidence of God.

Would my parents be wise to try and make some journal about whether they really exist for their children?

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[_Themis]

Blind faith in god means your not wondering ... you believe it , you know it.

They think they know it, but really they don't know at all.

Is there a bigger question than whether or not god exists?

There are many questions we should probably focus on then whether some deity exists we have no good reasons for believing.

I merely propose that man has been wondering this since the dawn of time , and it is a nessacary function for the human brain to grow.

Man has been wondering about many things like thunder and lightning, or fire from the mountain. We know they didn't get it right, not to say questioning is a bad thing.

Mostly beyond adolecence ... because obviously teenagers know everything and don't need to wonder.
But as we get older our brains get dumber I guess ... because we do start to wonder , but also not care.

As we get wiser we may realize some questions just are not that important, while others will not really give one a good answer, so no reason to believe. Then one can focus more on what questions are important.

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